Big East Breakdown — Otto Porter Jr. on Track For Player of the Year; JT3 Leading for Coaching Honors; Five Storylines; Weekly Honors; Power Rankings

I texted every coaching staff in the Big East Monday morning and asked for their votes for Big East Player of the Year.

Not a single coach gave a name other than, “Otto Porter (Jr.).

Actually, one coach said he wasn’t allowed to respond (he’s a stickler for league rules), and another coach declined to name his pick at this point.

Every other school picked Porter Jr. without hesitation. (Georgetown won’t be allowed to vote for him in the real vote.)

A year ago, we broke the news that Marquette’s Jae Crowder would be named the Big East Player of the Year, so sorry to spoil the fun again this year.

But barring some unforeseen circumstances in the final three regular-season games of the year, the Georgetown sophomore will take home Big East Player of the Year honors.

And deservedly so. He just put up a career-high 33 points Saturday as Georgetown beat Syracuse, 57-46, in the final Big East game between the rivals at the Carrier Dome.

For the season, the 6-foot-8 Porter Jr. is averaging 15.9 points, 7.7 rebounds and 2.4 assists. And oh by the way, his team is currently in sole possession of first place in the Big East and ranked No. 7 in the latest AP Poll.

In his last 12 games, he’s averaging 18.9 points while shooting 51 percent from the field and 45 percent from 3.

Really, no one else is in the mix for Player of the Year.

Earlier in the season, Louisville’s Peyton Siva and Russ Smith, Syracuse’s Michael Carter-Williams and Cincinnati’s Sean Kilpatrick were options, but Porter Jr. has just separated himself from the pack.

Porter Jr. also has impressed NBA scouts and players.

“Porter is very highly thought of,” one veteran NBA scout told SNY.tv. “Good physical tools, long and athletic. Great demeanor. All business. Improving daily.”

In an exclusive interview with SNY.tv, Carmelo Anthony said of Porter Jr.: “If he has a chance, if he’s a top 10 pick, I definitely think he should come out.”

As for Big East Coach of the Year honors, sentiment seems split between John Thompson III of Georgetown, Buzz Williams of Marquette, Jay Wright of Villanova and Jamie Dixon of Pitt.

JT3 got the most votes in our informal poll, but things could change.

“Too close,” one veteran Big East coach said.

Keep in mind that Georgetown was picked fifth in the preseason poll and is currently alone in first place.

Villanova was picked 12th and is on the brink of an NCAA Tournament appearance.

As for Big East Rookie of the Year honors, I didn’t poll the coaches on it, but my educated guess would be St. John’s forward JaKarr Sampson, who has won Big East Rookie of the Week honors six times already.

If he wins Rookie of the Year, it will mark the second straight year a Steve Lavin-coached player has won that award. Moe Harkless, now with the Orlando Magic, captured it last season.

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FIVE STORYLINES

1. Georgetown enters this week’s action alone in first place in the Big East at 11-3 in league play. The winner of tonight’s Syracuse-Marquette game (7 p.m., ESPN) will join the Hoyas with 11 league wins.  The Syracuse-Marquette loser will have its first back-to-back losses of the season.

2. Villanova visits Seton Hall at 9 p.m. on ESPNU in search of its 10th conference win. Among active Big East members, 124 of the 130 teams (94.6 percent) that won at least 10 league games went on to reach the NCAA tournament.

3. Joe Lunardi currently has seven Big East teams in the Big Dance, not including Villanova. St. John’s (16-11, 8-7) needs to win two of its final three league games to get to the 10-win threshold. Their final three games are at Providence, at Notre Dame and home to Marquette.

4. The top 10 seeds in the Big East Tournament have been locked up, meaning the bottom four must play on Tuesday, March 12. That group includes Rutgers, DePaul, Seton Hall and USF.

5. Seton Hall has dropped nine in a row and Rutgers nine of 10. The Jersey teams play each other once more, March 8 at Seton Hall.

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WEEKLY HONORS

BIG EAST Player of the Week

OTTO PORTER, Georgetown, F, So.

Porter helped the Hoyas claim sole possession of first place in the BIG EAST standings as he scored 33 points with eight rebounds and five steals in a 57-46 win at Syracuse in front of an NCAA on-campus record crowd of 35,012. The win snapped Syracuse’s homecourt winning streak at 38 games — the longest active streak in the nation — and it gave Georgetown its ninth consecutive victory. Porter added 11 points, three rebounds and two steals in 20 minutes in a 90-66 win against DePaul.

 

BIG EAST Rookie of the Week

D’VAUNTES SMITH-RIVERA,

Georgetown, G, Fr.

Smith-Rivera averaged 20.0 points and shot 55 percent from the field in Georgetown’s two wins, helping the Hoyas extend their winning streak to nine games to put them in sole possession of first place in the BIG EAST standings. He scored 33 points on 10-of-12 shooting in a 90-66 win against DePaul and had seven points with four rebounds in a 57-46 win at Syracuse.

 

BIG EAST Honor Roll

SHABAZZ NAPIER, Connecticut, G, Jr.

Averaged 27.5 points and shot 55.6 percent from the field in wins against Cincinnati and DePaul.

 

GORGUI DIENG, Louisville, C, Jr.

Scored 23 points on 10-of-11 shooting with eight rebounds in a win against Seton Hall.

 

TRAY WOODALL, Pittsburgh, G, Sr.

Averaged 18.0 points, 3.0 rebounds and 2.0 assists in a 1-1 week.

 

LADONTAE HENTON, Providence, F, So.

Averaged 16.5 points and 11.5 rebounds in a 1-1 week.

 

C.J. FAIR, Syracuse, F, Jr.

Averaged 16.5 points and 8.5 rebounds in a 1-1 week.

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POWER RANKINGS

1. Georgetown (21-4, 11-3)

2. Syracuse (21-5, 10-4)

3. Louisville (22-5, 10-4)

4. Marquette (19-7, 10-4)

5. Notre Dame (22-6, 10-5)

6. Pittsburgh (21-7, 9-6)

7. UConn (19-7, 9-5)

8. Villanova (18-10, 9-6)

9. Cincinnati (19-9, 7-8)

10. St. John’s (16-11, 8-7)

11. Providence (15-12, 7-8)

12. Rutgers (13-13, 4-11)

13. DePaul (11-16, 2-12)

14. Seton Hall (13-15, 2-13)

15. USF (10-16, 1-13)

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345 comments
idzik4real
idzik4real

The weekly referendum on Rex and idzik's job is silly, but rampant speculation has become the norm, so I'm not surprised. However, here are the facts: the jets have only drafted 2 offensive players in the last 8 first rounds (Sanchez and Keller) and whiffed on both. So, it makes sense that their offense is in the bottom third of the league. And their defense should be better than it is. The ad should be held to a higher standard. That's definitely on Tanny, idzik and Rex. But let's let things play out and then call for changes in January, not in October. I'm rooting for a big upset in sunny SD today!!

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

A HC change considering the roster we have would be the dumbest thing this team has ever done

metjetnet
metjetnet

The key issue here is:

Idzik says their focus is "WE'RE SHOOTING FOR '15" or it's "WIN NOW!" 

Today, he says this , TODAY.

Then, Rex knows he's odds-on to return & can focus on developing his/their QB into sold territory, while winning as many games as he can. But his prime job is preparation.

--OR--

Rex knows he's under the microscope with his job on the line, and he's now free to win as many games as he can carry this team to, no matter what it takes. Because there may be no tomorrow.

Either way, we're good, 'cause we know what we're dealing with. 

I've dealt with this scenario in the business world & this kind of arrogant, inscrutable silence is the kiss of death to an organization. And hugely insulting to all its personnel, as no one can figure out what's going on…

And the sign of a weak, authoritarian manager.

Bent
Bent moderator

NFL will reportedly hold 2015 Draft in Chicago

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

Boy Woody's comments about the CB situation don't inspire confidence

williamg1
williamg1

If the Jets lose this week, I hope people place blame where it belongs: on Brendan. 

privatejet
privatejet

Let's hope he actually means it and it's not just for show this time!!

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Lets evaluate him at a quarter way through the season...


1.) Jets have the best Run Defense in football

2.) The 2nd overall defense in the League 

3.) We're in the top 10 for passing yards per game using a converted safety and a 4th string CB as our starting DB's


4.) We have the 2nd overall rushing offense in the League


5.) We've only lost our past three games by 1 score, and our young QB is leading the league in turnovers. Take away those turnovers we are arguably 4-0.


Im the biggest advocate for Rex because if he only had a decent QB since he's gotten here, the Jets may have 2 SB rings already. Now his job may be on the line because the team is trying to grow a young troubled QB into a decent player? BS! Rex is a beast! If Idziks plan during the 2014 offseason was to build for the future, and Rex gets fired because of that, then that's ridiculous. We all saw how bad Rex wanted some of the FA's out there like DRC and Vontae Davis. He's been a sport with Idzik and is working with what ever Idzik is giving him... and with what he's been given he's been able to accomplish 1 through 5. Points 1-5 doesn't look like a HC about to loose his job...

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@NYCPEinGermany


"A HC change considering the roster we have would be the dumbest thing this team has ever done"


BS on that....Just NOT true !!


A new broom sweeps clean.


Gets rid of all the "Friends &Co."  Brings in NEW Perspectitive, Vision...DIRECTION !!!

lindro88
lindro88

Good post. Right on point. The sad thing is I don't think Idzik really had a plan. If they won the GB game, it's about now. He's garbage and the only reason he's our GM is because he's the only guy that was willing to take a GM job that came with a HC. Woody F'd up when he fired Tanny and kept Rex. I like Rex, but he was attached at the hip to Tannenbaum.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1

If the Jets lose this week, I hope people place blame where it belongs: on Brendan. 

Benghazi.


(drops mic)

fatrex
fatrex

@privatejet I really like Rex but it seems his lack of knowledge on offense combined with his lack of accountability on penalties is going to him in, all i ask is that the next coach knows clock management, last week was a disaster.

ijets
ijets

@Mike Milea


A good coach wins.  A great coach wins championships.


I like Rex.  But he had his chance.

fatrex
fatrex

@Mike Milea Lots of accuracy here but the bottom line is you need to be able to develop a qb to win in this league and rex hasn't shown an ability to do that, even with 2 premium draft picks spent on qb during his tenure. You need to invest in offense through the draft and they just refuse to.

marcus81
marcus81

@lindro88 Woody could have brokered a deal were Rex was kept as DC with a new incoming GM and HC, improbable but best scenario, can't be afraid to make changes to improve the team and that was Woody's fault, Philly, KC and Atlanta have become some of the better teams in spite of a prior adverse situation of being less than mediocre when they made positive changes, even the Cardinals 

Ed D
Ed D

@fatrex @privatejet Bottom line is if Geno doesnt make a ton of mistakes these first four weeks we arent even talking about Rex being evaluated


Guys a good coach...and starting over again, and again is NOT the answer. Remember the guy who got us within a game of the Super Bowl Twice with a mediocre QB and no dominant pass rushers??? Same guy


The grass is always greener with you people


Other than  Bill Cowher, you arent going to find anyone better to coach this team


Taking a shot on an unknown is just changing to change...its not an improvement


The players dont need a a new voice...they need a QB who takes care of the football and a GM who doesnt leave his team dangerously thin at WR and CB in  a passing league with 20 million in cap space

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@ijets @Mike Milea

ijets, You are sooo right!!!

maynard
maynard

@fatrex @Mike Milea  BS, developing a QB presupposes you havea QB who can develop . that's not Rex, that's the GM and scouts who drafted them.


Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@fatrex @Mike Milea  "You need to invest in offense through the draft and they just refuse to."... No, they have invested in offense. They've just missed on everything they invested in except Kerely...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @Mike Milea

Lots of accuracy here but the bottom line is you need to be able to develop a qb to win in this league

Agreed.

and rex hasn't shown an ability to do that, 

He hasnt shown an inability to do that either, though.  It's not like Rex took a good QB and turned him into a bad one, he took a bad QB and failed to make him better and then moved on to a new QB whose future is still undetermined (but who has shown signs of improvement).  You can't give Rex an F for that, more like an incomplete.

You need to invest in offense through the draft and they just refuse to.

Again, we have invested in offense through the draft under Rex.  


Rex has had six drafts in his tenure now and taken 21 players in the first four rounds of the draft (i.e. the "premium picks") and 12 of those 21 premium picks were spent on offensive players in the first round (Mark Sanchez), the second round (Vlad Ducasse, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith, Jace Amaro), the third round (Shonn Greene, Brian Winters), and the fourth round (Bilal Powell, Joe McKnight, Jalen Saunders, Shaq Evans, Dakota Dozier).

We haven't failed to invest in the offense.  We just haven't drafted well yet, that's all.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Haha, that's nothing new, it's been happening for years. 


Adults not knowing how to handle their sad and looking for someone else to dump it on. But yeah, it's kind of insane that people look for me specifically. Like at some point in their brain they think "I can't believe the Jets lost....where the fck is Brendan, that idiot" and then BOOM. Although I did feed the team bad chili before the MNF game against the Bears and apparently I gave them all the runs. So that one actually was on me. 

lindro88
lindro88

You just described a team that needs an overhaul. I agree constant change is the wrong way to go, but I also believe in realizing you made a bad decision. Idzik was a bad decision. The next GM is not going to have a HC forced on him like this one did

maynard
maynard

@Ed D @fatrex @privatejet  exactly right. with a QB leading the league in turnovers we were 1 score away in each game  from being 4-0, and that with our best receiver hurt for 2.5games, our best CB out.  Everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Turnovers are the most important statistic in the game. e fix that and we will be fine.

fatrex
fatrex

@Ed D @fatrex @privatejet Dude I like Rex a lot, I just know he won't survive another qb change and if Geno keeps sucking that could happen next offseason.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Mike Milea @fatrex

Pretty much, yeah.  Hopefully Geno and Amaro and Dozier and Evans and Enunwa add to that list of "one" sometime soon.


We've picked as many offensive players in the draft as anyone else.  We just keep picking the wrong ones, regrettably.

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea First round picks are your biggest investments, its your best chance to land a difference maker. We haven't taken an offensive player in the first since Dustin Keller. That is not an even investment at all, its incomparable. 

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea First and second round picks are where you get the most gold. There hasn't been nearly the amount of investment in premium 1st and second rounders on offense since Rex took over. Including 4th rounders is ridiculous, we just freaking cut one.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea I'd add that it's not even Rex's job to draft for the team.  He's included in the decision making process, but the picks are ultimately up to Idzik.  

lindro88
lindro88

I stood up for you. Nut cases saying "where is Brendan?"

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@tsjc68   I remember have a conversation a long time back with someone (I think you *shrugs shoulders*) about trading draft picks.  I think you're position was hold on to picks and keep as many as you can (in general).  I've come around to that thinking as well to a certain extent, but it's a a$$biter when a lot of the picks don't look promising to begin with.  It's still early in the process.  We also are getting spoiled with Boss Hogg coming out of the gate like one of the top defenders in the league.  

BDarc23
BDarc23

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea The 1st rd picks recently have been quite good though so it is hard to argue with Wlikerson, Coples, Richardson, even Milliner

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea

First and second round picks are where you get the most gold. There hasn't been nearly the amount of investment in premium 1st and second rounders on offense since Rex took over. 


Since Rex arrived in 2009, we've had 11 first and second rounders and spent FIVE of them on offense (Sanchez, Vlad, Hill, Geno, Amaro) and SIX of them on defense (Wilson, Wilkerson, Coples, Milliner, Richardson, Pryor).


Again, no matter which way you slice it, we haven't ignored offense in the draft.  We draft offense and defense with the same frequency.


We just keep picking bad offensive players who don't make an impact.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Wilkershakes @tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea

And it's harder to pin the bad picks on offense on Rex, since it's not the side of the ball he scouts as heavily as his offensive guys.


A great many of those misfires aren't on Rex but are on some combination of Schotty, Sparano, Tannenbaum, Bradway, Clinkscales, and (to a lesser extent so far) Marty and idzik.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@lindro88 I like it when everyone is trying to gang up on Brendan.  Good times.

fatrex
fatrex

@Ed D @fatrex @privatejet You'll probably get both. My perception is that Rex is too player friendly and that results in a lack of discipline (PENALTIES). Also, the gadget playbook needs to be set on fire, burned to ash, buried and the gravemarker needs to be salted so we never see them ever again.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Wilkershakes @tsjc68

Yes, i've taken that position as well.


My main gripe with Tanny was that he traded up too much without balancing that back by trading vets for picks or trading down to replenish the overall pick pool and keep more cheap, young lottery tickets in our system.


So much of NFL success is

A.) Avoiding the Sanchez/Gholston/Clemens/Hill early round misfires, since you're counting on those early-round guys to contribute and give you production that outstrips their rookie wage scale so you can invest in quality FAs without breaking your cap, and 

B.) Accumulating as many laterounders as possible so that you can unearth numerous Antonio Allens and Jeremy Kerleys and Matt Slausons to get more good, cheap depth.


Tanny ignored B and poured everything into early-rounders and traded-for vets, and then busted on those early-rounders.  Recipe for failure.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@tsjc68 @Wilkershakes @fatrex @Mike Milea Well, it's also treating Rex like he's a simple minded dumba$$ that only knows defense.  He's got to have a decent amount of knowledge about offensive players and the skills that are tough for a defensive player to handle.  I know what you're saying though.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@tsjc68 @Wilkershakes @fatrex @Mike Milea And Rex is not the only person in the organization with the responsibility to grow a young QB... We have an OC and a QB coach for that... And if you get rid of both of those guys then we STILL have the same stats that I noted above... possibly...

Ed D
Ed D

@fatrex @BDarc23 @tsjc68 @Mike Milea Ravens havent taken an offensive player in the first round since Michael Oher...hows that working out for them???

BDarc23
BDarc23

@fatrex @BDarc23 @tsjc68 @Mike Milea But half the 1st rd picks bust...I'd rather be drafting a good player than spending the 5th pick and getting Sanchez or the 8th and getting Gholston

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea

And our last FOUR second rounders have been on offense!  That's how you balance the first slice with the second slice.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea

Postulate #1: We ignore offense in the draft.

Rebuttal: Facts say we don't.  Here they are.

Postulate #2: Well, we ignore it early in the draft.

Rebuttal: Again, the facts say that is false.

Postulate #3: Well, then, in this even more narrow instance, we ignore offense.

Rebuttal: Fine, you win.  When you limit the sample to only those times where we've not chosen offensive players, then yes, you're right, we've not chosen offensive players.  I concede your point.  If things were different, they wouldn't be the same.

Brendan
Brendan

@Wilkershakes I love this meme going around that insinuates one of the most brilliant defensive minds in the NFL doesn't know anything about offense, but still somehow routinely stops high-powered offenses. 

fatrex
fatrex

@Ed D @fatrex @BDarc23 @tsjc68 @Mike Milea Yeah? When's the last time we took someone at Torrey Smith's position in the first?

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @BDarc23 @Mike Milea A football team is about more than numbers on a depth chart, it's about skill. Consistently picking offense later than defense will result in a lack of talent on offense. Which is exactly what we have.

fatrex
fatrex

@BDarc23 @fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea That's semantics, we're speaking in generalities, logically there's a better chance your first rounder will have more impact than your second rounder. 

lmp23
lmp23

@Brendan @Wilkershakes So if you are studying offenses to defend against them shouldn't you have a clue how to build an offense?

Ed D
Ed D

@fatrex @Wilkershakes @tsjc68 @Mike Milea Examples of clock mistakes


Dont just regurgitate things you hear on Mike Francesca...


Cant remember a  game where the Jets lost SPECIFICALLY cause of Rexs clock management

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex Most people draw the line where the expectation changes from "starter level" and "depth level" after the 4th round. 


2013: 2 defensive players (first round), 3 offensive (second, third and Ivory traded for a fourth). 


2014: 2 defensive players (first and third round), 4 offensive players (second, and three fourths). 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Mike Milea

Consistently picking offense later than defense will result in a lack of talent on offense. 


No, it won't, because the second round is annually littered with guys who should have gone in the first but slipped for whatever reason, like LeSean McCoy and Anquan Boldin and Alshon Jeffrey and Kelechi Osemele and on and on and on.  The second round is an impact round just like the first is.


Continually drafting poorly in the second round will result in an undertalented team, though, that part is true, and that's what's happened to us, and it's merely coincidence that the second round busts we've had all happened on one side of the ball.


And if it's not coincidence, then it means that we have some systemic failure to scout offense well, and if that's true, than taking fewer defenders in R1 and more offensive guys in R1 will lead to just as many offensive busts, but those busts being even MORE damaging.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea

No.


I see an issue with the fact that our last four offensive second rounders (and our offensive first rounder before that) not becoming impact players.


If that had happened, if we'd have drafted better in the second round, none of this would be a thing.

Ed D
Ed D

@fatrex @Brendan @Wilkershakes YOu need to stop reading the tabloids and basing your information off of how they perceive a football team should be run


Ive seen Belichick in the SUPER BOWL huddled around his defense while his offense was on the field...it happens from time to time

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex Jesus. Did you even read that? 


He spent most of his time evaluating and dealing with the defense, because that's what he runs. And it was preseason. 

fatrex
fatrex

@Brendan We've started 1 second rounder in the last 4 years, it may apply to most people, but not the Jets

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan

And like I said above, Rex has (through three OCs, three DCs, and two GMs) picked 21 guys in the first four rounds and 9 of them were defensive guys and 12 of them were offensive guys.

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @BDarc23 @Mike Milea My list of first round guys will beat your list of second round guys every time though. While you're right that the second round offers a lot of potential, the low hanging fruit and consequently the easier call is almost always in the first. Earlier picks=more talent. The other issues I won't comment on because I'm not a player evaluator, and if point 2 is true we're screwed regardless.

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea It's balance on the depth chart only. That is drastically uneven in the skill/impact category which is what wins football games.

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea Of course that's part of the problem, I'm not arguing that at all. But it's easier to nail a first round pick for obvious reasons than a second round pick, which unbalances the scale from the onset.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ed D Ah, okay. I was like...wtf are we talking about here? 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Mike Milea

This topic is probably all argued out at the moment, so I'll leave you with this little sad note we can mourn together:


Under Rex, we've traded up in the draft four times.  All four times it was for an offensive player.


Only one of those players panned out and he's the only one still on the team.


The four are Kerley, Sanchez, Greene, and Hill.


Le sigh.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68 @Mike Milea

Not if you draft better than we have, and drafting better than we have in the second round shouldn't be that hard.


If we'd have swapped out Vlad, Hill and Winters for, say, John Asamoah, Reuben Randle, and Terron Armstead, nobody would be complaining.

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex Well you replied to my comment about it, so that's why I thought you were posting that link in response to me. Apologies. 

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 Listen man all I want is a Julio Jones type that can make a Jets game exciting, the team is downright depressing to watch at times, we haven't had a playmaker on offense since leon.

fatrex
fatrex

@tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea Already said I agree with you that we've drafted poorly offensively. I just don't think 5 picks in a row in the more valuable first round is a winning way of doing business and our record and statistics back that up.

fatrex
fatrex

@Brendan @fatrex Understood. I don't think rex is some sort of brilliant offensive mind, but to suggest someone achieves his level of success without having a clue about half of the game is ridiculous.

Ed D
Ed D

@fatrex @Ed D @Wilkershakes @tsjc68 @Mike Milea Actually our offense moves the ball reasonably well these first four weeks


The QB just throws it to the wrong team once he gets on the other teams side of the field
...but I guess Rex is responsible for throwing the ball now too

tsjc68
tsjc68

@fatrex @tsjc68

Next year, in the first round, we're gonna just draft Calvin Johnson.


Lions won't know what hit 'em.

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex So you want a best receiver in the NFL-type? Well, those are easy enough to find...

fatrex
fatrex

@Ed D Good point, our overall yardage numbers are pretty good (even though we've actually played more games than a number of teams at this point so they're skewed a bit) we just can't seem to turn the ball over or crap out when we need to put the ball in the endzone

fatrex
fatrex

@Brendan @fatrex I agree with a lot of your stuff I'm just more critical since we haven't won in my lifetime and I'm also a Yankees fan

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Wilkershakes @tsjc68 @fatrex @Mike Milea

It's true, I swear.  I was big on Asamoah, and always have been.  I loved Terron Armstead, as well.  Marcus and I were sitting next to each other in Radio City Music Hall talking about how much we both wanted to take Terron Armstead.

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex Don't bring that Yankee fan ish up in here. We all want to win equally and baseball is boring as sht. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Wilkershakes @fatrex @Mike Milea


I remember these guys talking about him because then I was watching the battle for a starting role with Jason Smith in New Orleans for Expendables and Armstrong nearly lost that to Smith!  I remember thinking he was impressive athletically but pretty raw, but yes I can vouch for Marcus and 68 being fans of his.


Can't say the same for Asamoah, but what I will say is that if you go back to that draft, Asamoah was pretty much the only lineman selected in the next 100 picks to end up better than Vlad.

Brendan
Brendan

@fatrex Hey, I still have my '94 Stanley Cup so BACK OFF. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @fatrex Ugh it's been MONTHS since my team last won a Stanley Cup.  I'M GETTING HUNGRY!


(ducks)

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent OH YEAH!? Well....our goalie is the cutest! 


(what?)

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Rangers are set up to be a top team in the East again, hopefully the way things ended last year leave a sour taste in their mouth for the full season. 


Just win one for Henrik, ya jerks.