Troy Williams ‘Seriously Considering’ Indiana

Troy Williams came away impressed with his weekend visit to Indiana and the school remains a viable option for him, his uncle told SNY.tv.

“Oh, he’s seriously considering Indiana,” legendary AAU coach Boo Williams said Sunday by phone after spending Friday with his nephew on the visit..

“I think they will use his athletic ability not only in transition but they work on his half-court offense. They’re going to use him in different situations offensively and defensively. They did a good job of breaking it down.”

The 6-foot-6 Oak Hill small forward attended Hoosier Hysteria along with committed players Stanford Robinson, Devin Davis, Luke Fischer and Collin Hartman and uncommitted big man Beejay Anya.

Williams took an unofficial to North Carolina last weekend and is also considering Alabama, Arkansas, Louisville and Ohio State.

Boo said his nephew can’t take any more visits until at least Nov. 17 because of Oak Hill’s schedule.

“He doesn’t have another day,” he said.

In the meantime, Indiana coach Tom Crean and his staff came away leaving an impression on Williams.

“They did a very good job,” Boo said.

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84 comments
Rex Reyanson
Rex Reyanson

it seems to me the essay  only briefly mentioned the actual MAJOR factor - in mid season the Jets were playing receivers who were barely on the team a week, had no real practice time. G.Salas anyone ? in addition to which Winters wasn't ready replacing Ducasse.

I hope the Jets sign TWO receivers in Free agency ( I think they have the $ - saving half the $ 40 or $50 mill for renegotiation, Wilk to start) I want Maclin ( assuming the knee is a one time injury, not series)  & Sanders. - rookies are still : rookies.


then, it looks now like at 18 there won't be a top playmaker avail so O' line is also needed.  Then in the 2 nd rnd a big receiver of which it seems there will be  a handfull- or T.E.

oh, of course, I'm all in on G.S., I don't even want to split practice time in Aug.  IF he can't do it, we'll know in Nov. and the Jets will have a fairly high draft pick.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

Bent - Some of your best work ever (and that's saying something)

bldsgrnNwht
bldsgrnNwht

Bent:

Taking everything you said into account above, I was just wondering how the Falcons game falls into all of this. For some reason that game popped up in my head time and time again as I was reading and I cant for the life remember if there was more shotgun than under center for him that night or why that was the game that keep coming into my thoughts. 

I am pretty sure the last drive 90% shotgun.....

I am not sure why I keep thinking about this game when I read this analysis.....



Previously:

 

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pcjs
pcjs

Some thoughts:

1.) I don't want to follow what I remember as the Tannenbaum quote of drafting a QB every year. Especially in the later rounds, and then not developing them.

2.) Unlike Sanchez, we got Geno "on the cheap" as far as QB's, so we can move on more easily if necessary.

3.) It is rare that any QB is perfect right out of the gate without bad games or seasons

4.) There is no doubt that our wide receiver, tight end, and pass catching RBs have not been elite. (However, I really like Kerley, but then again I thought not using Cotchery was a shame too.)

5.) So, if the right BPA QB falls to us, of course we should draft them (just as I agreed with Geno in the 2nd Round). Just don't see one falling to us with "starter" potential early in the draft (doesn't mean it won't happen -- we've seen some weird drafts!)

6.) During some of the games, I certainly wanted Geno pulled earlier (for a variety of reasons). Doesn't mean I still don't think he could (emphasis, here) be our franchise QB.

7.) With our draft position (damn Jets winning those last 2 games caused a major draft shift), initially I don't see who we can draft in the first round (though there are some intriguing flyers in the later rounds), so you have to pencil in Geno as our starting QB next year unless something really weird happens to Sanchez (he agrees to the vet minimum to stay?).

8.) Unless someone special on defense falls, the Jets seem to be in a good spot to draft a wide receiver or tight end to help the offense in Round 1 without any moves.

9.) I think if they want a tight end (but not a specific one, they could even trade down to get the player they want).

10.) I'm excited to see Geno play next year, something I couldn't say mid-season.

maynardfan
maynardfan

Bent -- Cormartie recently said Geno "stays late". Do your sources confirm that Geno is studying any harder than Sanchez or any other typical rookie QB?

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Excellent write-up, but the bottom line to me is there are so many variables within a game that it's almost impossible to draw concrete conclusions wrt Geno (small sample size) and the specific plays that are most effective using the shotgun. The variables range from overall strength, strategy, blocking techniques and individual players talents on both offense and defense to the peculiarities of a particular game (i.e., timeouts, penalties on specific down and distance, play calls, field position, score in 1st > 4th Qtr, field & weather conditions, player availability, strength of running game, QB's ability to play fake - screen - move in the pocket - scramble - QB sneak etc,) The list of variables is infinite.


That being said, the fact that more teams are using the shotgun in the high scoring QB driven NFL of today seems to be the trend until defenses (or rules) evolve to necessitate the ongoing evolution of the sport. 

WRT MM & Geno specifically, it will be interesting to see just how much MM will be able to adjust his sets to accommodate Geno w/o becoming predictable over the long haul b/c I'm convinced that Geno (baring injury) will start every game next year and maybe the next 2-3. For I remember that Idzik asked Garrard (who can't play) to return next year and it was Garrard who refused. That's a clear indication that within Jets management circle, they are committed to Geno as the starter despite what they say publicly. Let's just hope Geno doesn't turn out to be Sanchez 4 Year Experiment Revisited.

juunit
juunit

I wouldn't think the Colts actually do pass out of the shotgun all that often. Their need for a comeback from the very first minutes of the game undoubtedly contributed to those numbers. 


My other thought: if Smith doesn't pass from under center very often, and we don't run from the shotgun very often, we're making the offense unnecessarily predictable.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

a57s and Brendan with the top comments on the PFF D Rookie of the Year article well done fellas

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

Bent, you're good. Thanks. Your data-driven brand of journalism would fit well with what Nate Silver is building at the upcoming 538.

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

Geno Smith's got to become more accurate with his passes. Isn't every successful QB an accurate passer. The problem is that it's my sense that accuracy is not something that gets much better with experience. Accuracy doesn't change. I may be wrong about that, but I don't think so. All this voluminous analysis about shot-gun, under-center, % of this and % of that is worthless unless Geno Smith's accuracy improves.


And I have my doubts.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bldsgrnNwht It fits in interestingly because it was after that first four games from which point the shotgun usage picked up.  It's also interesting because that was a four game swing where he played pretty poorly on the whole but that was one of his best games all year.


That last drive was all shotgun, yes, but that's less of a tactical ploy that simply the fact that they were in the hurry-up and most teams operate out of the gun when they go no-huddle.


In that particular game, he was 2-of-3 for 48 yards and a score when throwing from under center.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@pcjs

8) If we want a WR, TE or OL unless the player is an immediate starter who played in a Pro-style O, fall back a couple of spots and get extra picks


10) Hope you can say that after year 2.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@maynardfanWe heard the same thing repeatedly said about Sanchez until it came out years later that it was bogus. Some of us picked up on it earlier when after year two Rex would say something like "he's working hard now" or " to get better this year." If he's always been a hard worker since Day 1, you don;t need the "now." Instead, you would say he's STILL working hard.

Bent
Bent moderator

@maynardfan Not heard anything either way to be honest.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn 

Agreed on Geno probably starting all of 2014 and maybe another year after that........

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunitI think you're right, but the question is how often does Luck pass out of run formations?  My guess is that he passes a lot less than he hands off and he also runs a lot himself.  I don't think there's a game where Luck passes out of run formations more than he does the shotgun.


I think Smith does hand off from the shotgun, just not that often to Ivory.  I think that was Bent's point.

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy I just think it's a little odd that the guy who lead the entire season didn't win, I don't really care, though. PFF was one of the reasons Sheldon got buzz early on because his high PFF grades helped highlight the fact he was playing better than people realized. Then the media hopped on board and by midseason the rest of the media had caught up. 


So, I can't kill the guys who helped create the buzz in the first place over a fake award. 

a57se
a57se

@Stanley Bostitch 

What is the 538?

What is a baseball guy like Silver building ?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Jim IsraelStatistics would overwhelmingly prove you wrong.  Just for an example, Eli Manning's completion percentage was 48.2% his rookie season and 52.8% in his second.  By his 5th season he got to the 60% plateau, the year AFTER he won a Super Bowl.


Andrew Luck was at 54.1% last year and is now at the 60% plateau.  I think if the QB wasn't ever accurate in college and had a rookie season under 55%, I might be concerned.  But, I'd say Geno's first season is roughly where you'd expect a rookie out of a non-pro style college system to be.  Now, if he isn't 60% next season, I'd be concerned.

a57se
a57se

@Jim Israel 

Join the one man "Jets fan who doubts Geno will ever improve enough" Club but be prepared to get ripped for it.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@juunit 

Which probably doesn't matter too much, since defenses already know Ivory is one-dimensional. 

I'm not sure of the numbers on the Colts offense. But, I wouldn't jump to conclusions either. They've really tried to establish a power run game this season. Richardson just hasn't been up for the challenge. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se Isn't that the politics guy who turned his methods to sports (or was it the other way round)?

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@Jim Israel 

Eli has a career 58.5% completion percentage.

If that is the bar you have for your QB, fine.....Geno may reach that one day and still be a turnover machine like Eli......

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Jim Israel His percentage is okay for a rookie, but like Sanchez before him, I do think he could improve his placement on some of the routine completions he does make.  That'll boost his YPA.


He was hitting guys in stride better by the end of the year though, so fingers crossed.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

You were writing him on after 2 pre season games. No qb comes out and wins a Super Bowl sorry this isn't a video game.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@juunit 

Yeah, you are definitely in the minority on Sparano.

We agree on Schotty though. There is something about that entire family that just doesn't understand coaching. I know you'll say Marty was solid, but he got constantly outcoached in the playoffs. Until Sunday, I thought he'd cursed the entire city of San Diego. 

juunit
juunit

@Bent@SackDance99@juunit 

The Ginger Giraffe isn't very good so he'll have his work cut out for him. Beyond that, my only other thought is: "Sparano? BOOOOOOOO!"

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @juunit Slightly OT but ICYMI Sparano is bolting Oakland to join the Bucs staff.  That staff is looking intriguing.  Lovie HC Frasier DC Sparano (I assume) OL but most interesting of all is Tedford OC.  How will the guy who has never coached in the NFL, and mentored Aaron Rodgers but until then seemed to mentor a bunch of top prospects that all busted out at the pro level fare in his big league debut?


Anyone have thoughts/reactions on that?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit@SackDance99Schotty's offense was a disaster.  I'm in the minority because I thought Sparano's offense would've worked with better QB play.  But, Schotty's system is guaranteed to make the QB look bad.  Too many passes downfield, not enough use of the TE or RBs in the passing game and an unwillingness to stick with the running game (going under center) when it's working.


For instance, Jared Cook, who was the Rams' big free agent signing, had his best game (with 7 receptions, 141 yards and 2 TDs) in his first game.  You'd think that defenses would have gotten a steady dose of him over the next 15 games...you'd be wrong.  He only got 44 receptions in his last 15 games.  Mind boggling.


He just doesn't know how to maximize the talent given to him.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@juunit 

I dunno. I always felt like with Schotty we were constantly passing out of run personnel. 

It was like, "Hey, it's 3rd & 8. Now let's put in a TE and a FB who can't catch, then try and convert here. Hooray me!"

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit@SackDance99I don't disagree.  It's just what would be the expectation from Luck as a passer in run formations?  Like any QB, he'd have to mix in some passes to prevent 8 in the box, but I'd expect him to go to shotgun when the down and distance dictated pass.  Also, most offenses have different personnel groupings with their RBs, so with Donald Brown, you'd expect the shotgun, except when the game situation (like a 4th quarter lead) dictates running, I'd expect run formations with maybe some safe checkdown passes (unless the WR was wide open downfield) mixed in.


Overall, I think the whole "passing under center" meme is overblown.  Geno looked comfortable under center and, like most QBs, he'd hand off the vast majority of times anyhow.  With experience and better talent, maybe he could make play action a weapon.  In any event, there are times when going under center, even to pass, is warranted and we all want Geno to be as well-rounded as possible in order to give the coaches the most flexibility in game-planning.  Whether he goes under center or is in shotgun, we all want accurate passes that result in points.  Whichever way achieves the goal of scoring TDs, I'm all for.

pcjs
pcjs

@Stanley Bostitch@pcjs@Bent@a57se 

True, but I am talking about the "secret sauce". What is the composition of next year's electorate? In 2004, about 12 million voters voted over the previous election, in 2012 about 4 million fewer voters voted than the previous election. Those results were not predicted. The total number of voters in 2012 was about the same as in 2004 (so the % of voters decreased due to increase population). He has done either a great analytical job (or an informed guess) on which polls are "good data" and which ones are "garbage data" on who is going to go to the polls. My hat is currently off to him -- but I expect to put it back on my head eventually.

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@pcjs @Stanley Bostitch @Bent @a57se Not to stay OT too long, but Silver uses an aggregation model, and doesn't do his own polling. So there is in some ways no "mean" to return to. He's just re-presenting other data; granted, he has his own secret sauce/formula that accounts for things like house effects, lean, and so forth, but end of day it's good data in, good data out.

pcjs
pcjs

@Stanley Bostitch@Bent@a57seThere is no doubt Nate Silver has been accurate. The question is, will he return to the mean like most high flying mutual fund advisors, or does he truly have a competitive advantage in his methods. Only time will tell...

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@Bent @a57se He's the poker guy-turned baseball guy-turned politics guy. Created a site for the 2008 elections, 538.com, to create aggregate polls-of-polls with forecasts that have been more accurate than anyone for two cycles now. Licensed 538 to the NYT for a few years, now moving to ESPN where he is creating the next "Grantland" focusing on data-driven journalism across politics, sports, and other areas. He's got a good book out too, if you're into data, called "The Signal and the Noise".

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@haroldIn season, every loss and Geno was a bum; every victory and Geno was the new franchise.  I was positive on Geno from what I saw the first weekend at Cortland and never wavered.  You were negative on Geno from the time he was drafted and never wavered.  I just wonder what would change your mind?  Or, is it personal with you and no matter how successful Geno is, you'll hate him because you won't be right in your prediction that he's a bust?


I'll be the first one to dump on Geno if I feel that he cannot make NFL throws and is not progressing, like I dropped my support for Sanchez in late 2011.  At this point, all I can say is that Geno has looked better than any other Jets' rookie QB since I've been watching them.  Post-Namath, that's not a very high bar.  But, it's a start.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor@a57se@bklyndude@SackDance99@Jim Israel 

It would depend on who the QB was......obviously. i have already stated numerous times that i like David Fales in this years class. If we are going to shift more to a pistol/read option offense where we want a QB who can run, then Tajh Boyd should be on the radar as well.

I don't think we will end up getting a McCown/Hill type of guy into camp. Apparently the Jets were talking to Garrard about coming back for 2014 halfway through 2013......I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Geno, Simms, Garrard and a late round pick or UDFA QB as our 4 guys going into OTA's.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

It is nice that you guys only want to look at the positive side of things, you are welcome to do that all you want. I would venture to guess that there have been more comments doing just that concerning Geno then the opposite.

You don't have the right to try and shut down any other opinions on the subject.


harold
harold

Then you missed the reason he was nominated 7 times for rookie of the week and how he also won the AFC player of the Week.  You watched the season but it seems you missed the story.

Rookie soars , crashes and then rises up again.  We need a lot of parts but 2nd in the NFL for total QBR over the last 4 games to Peyton I think is pretty good.

harold
harold

Great Post Sackdance99

That sums it up in a nutshell.  People believe what they want.  Fact Geno had a higher completion percentage than Andrew Luck did as a rookie.  Without a Reggie Wayne or T.Y. Hilton.  Not syaing he is Andrew Luck just don't be so quick to say he is a bum. 

Geno did several things never done in franchise history some good some bad.  But the eye test told me he had better rookie year than Sanchez.  It also showed me he has more upside.  I look at a QB who in all the games Kerley played looked like a potential solid starter in the NFL.

I love Kerley but he is not a top 50 WR in the NFL and just having soeone that good Geno was solid.  Kerley played all last year and we still gave Sanchez a pass.  Geno has talent and potential those are the facts.  history will tell the story.

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @bklyndude @SackDance99 @Jim Israel Assuming we get a McCown/Hill type as the vet for insurance, what round are you drafting a QB? If one of your favorites fall to 18, do you pull the trigger? Do you wait until later rounds?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@Jim IsraelNo, you spend the time making snarky comments about Geno.  I saw the same games, the same QB, the same throws, the same mistakes, etc.  It's just that I don't expect a rookie with the type of personnel the Jets had to put up average numbers.  Difference is, I look at those 8 rookie wins, especially the game in Miami, and I see promise, where you don't.

If the Jets are thinking of drafting a QB, then they're making a mistake.  If their board dictates a QB as BPA, then fine, but not for the first 5 rounds.  Signing a vet that can run a WCO is a much better hedge on Geno.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @SackDance99 @Jim Israel

I agree and I think they will  draft somebody later and hope to catch lightning in a bottle.

But constantly pointing out what Geno doesn't do well or can't do seems counter intuitive to being a Jets fan.  Maybe he can improve on some of those things.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I don't disagree with your first sentence though I would not give it a high probability of occurring from what I have seen.

harold
harold

And Geno could end easily end up being better than all of them.  You didn't say much at all with that statement. 

I watched Andrew Luck last year and while his footwork and decivesness were ahead of Geno (minus Geno in the Falcons, 2nd Pats game and the last 4 games of the year).  The major difference between them statistically as rookies was called Reggie Wayne and T.Y. Hilton.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude@a57se@SackDance99@Jim Israel 

Look, all the QB's in the NFL and the upcoming draft have similar physical abilities, they wouldn't be in this position if they didn't. What separates them into Franchise QB's, Good QB's, all the way down to scrubs is what happens between the ears. 

We won't find anyone in the draft or free agency who is markedly better physically than Geno but then again, neither is Peyton Manning or Ton Brady. You could argue Geno is better physically then either of those guys because they can't run worth a darn.

It is very difficult to scout players and really get what goes on between the ears and that is why so many QB's taken high in the draft fail..........

IMHO, you keep on drafting guys until you find the guy you believe in. 


bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @SackDance99 @Jim Israel Hey if somebody drafted later turns out better then Geno.....great.

But if for some crazy reason they turn out to be no better than Geno,  where is the team as far their ever ending quest to find "The Guy"

a57se
a57se

@JCuratola3

i am tempted to tell you what you can do with yourself but that would just inspire the wrath of Bent the Moderator.

So all I will say is too bad if you don't like it, I will continue to post what I want.

You nor anyone else will stop people from freely expressing themselves so take your Nazi tactics elsewhere!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @SackDance99 @Jim Israel Well that's kind of the point.....there is no easy solution to finding an elite QB.  It doesn't mean you stop looking,  but not much sense drafting somebody similar to Geno in terms of ability.

So repeating your opinion that he sucks does what exactly.

I certainly don't see anybody worth trading up for in this draft,  and I'm sure they will draft somebody later,  but how much can you hope for from that pick.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @SackDance99 @Jim Israel OK....suppose your the GM of the Jets for one year,  how do you fix the QB spot going forward.

Which player do you stick your neck out for and make a move to fix the Jets. 

Your legacy as a GM will be based on this move.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se@Jim Israel 

I am convinced Geno sucked this year and I don't spend the amount of time you obviously do trying to justify having a rosy outlook for Geno. I also will not compare him to Sanchez, Eli or anyone else as those comparisons are useless in evaluating where he is at. I have a very clear picture where he is at...........I don't know where he will end up but if I had any say in the matter, I would be planning on drafting a QB this year.

 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@Jim IsraelThere you go again, I was just using Eli as an example and I hate it when you make me defend someone like Eli, who I think is just an average QB.  But, he is one with 2 SB rings and SB MVP trophies and the HOF is littered with QBs who, at one point in their careers, led the NFL in INTs.  And, fwiw, Peyton's rookie year he had a 56.7% completions and is now over 65% for his career and he improved his percentage each of his first 7 years as a pro, to over 67%.  So, maybe Peyton is the bar?  Point is that after 1 rookie season, it's impossible to know what kind of QB Geno will turn out to be, even though you're convinced that he sucks.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@Jim IsraelI expect that Geno will work with a QB guru in the off-season.  Brady, for instance, worked his ass off between his rookie and second year to improve his mechanics and he goes to the same guy (Tom House?) every year.  I've heard Brady say that he has to constantly work on his mechanics and says to himself "left pocket" to make sure his throwing hand ends at his left pocket after every throw.  Geno seems to be a hard-working kid and judging from his improvement between OTAs and training camp, I'm optimistic that he'll use his off-season productively.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Jim Israel@BentOkay, my take on the difference between Sanchez and Geno is that I think the Nelson pass was a misfire by Geno that can be corrected and Geno has thrown many other passes that were spot on.  Sanchez was making those same type of errant throws as a 4th year pro, as well as, not reading defenses well, going through his progressions quick enough, and, generally, not passing accurately on the simple NFL throws.


Sanchez was spoon-fed, coddled and overhyped.  We saw that he had accuracy problems as a rookie, but we forget how raw his game was compared to Geno's.  Sanchez couldn't run well, couldn't complete screen passes, and was inaccurate on his short sideline routes.  Geno does all these things well.  Geno has to improve his throwing on the run and adjusting to the speed of the NFL, but it's hard for me to point out anything that Sanchez ever did as a QB that was flat out better than Geno, especially as a rookie.


We can't frame our experiences by Sanchez.  Geno is a different QB, in a different system, with different personnel.  His rookie performance was what you would expect from a rookie, except his INTs were too high, but he made significant improvements on overall ball security as the season progressed.


Do I think Geno is a surefire franchise QB?  No.  Do I think he can be a franchise QB?  Yes.  Would it be the best for the Jets franchise that a 2nd round QB ends up being a franchise QB?  Absolutely.  And, that's why the Jets front office will give Geno the benefit of the doubt next year...they will likely bring in a veteran for "competition" but I expect that the focus will be on getting better offensive talent to put around Geno or any QB that knows how to execute the WCO.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Jim Israel @Bent You never know sometimes.  If the depth of the receiver's route is one or two yards off or he gets bumped off course that can make a throw that went exactly where it was supposed to look inaccurate.


My take is that he was very inconsistent with his accuracy but slightly better by the end of the year, but there's some room for error.

Brendan
Brendan

@Jim Israel I am very interested to see what tweaks Lee/Marty make to Geno's mechanics this offseason. I assume they'll work to quicken his release, since it's a bit long. Footwork would be #2 on my list, just getting him used to setting and throwing quickly and realizing that he doesn't need to plant, step, and throw every time he wants to zip a quick pass out there. 


My hope with Geno is tied to the fact that he fought through a terrible stretch that would have potentially ruined a different QB (like Sanchez) and finished strong. Doing that here, in this media market, took some major league stones and that fortitude, coupled with his demeanor, gives me the impression that he has the personality to triumph here. 


So he has the make-up to succeed in NY, he has the talent to win as a QB, he needs to refine his skill and prove he can be a leader. 

a57se
a57se

@Jim Israel@Bent 

The difficulty is when the QB 'flashes'.......it is easy to get caught up in the 'Oh, he only needs more time to turn the flashes into consistent play'. The problem is most QB's DON'T. They all flash the ability at one time or another.......otherwise they wouldn't get a shot.

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

@Bent

I hope, Bent, your optimism triumphs.

Observing that front-corner end zone errant throw to Nelson in this past Miami game -- and I know I'm being anecdotal -- gave me pause. It reminded me so much of Sanchez. I wish fervently that Geno works out, but throws like that one -- and there were more than just a few during the season -- are just so disheartening. I wonder how long they're going to give Geno Smith : too little time could blow up in their faces and too much time could be a disaster as well. They -- Idzik, Ryan, et al -- are in a jam, I think, because everything rides on this decision. My guess is that they're not going to be particularly patient, not after all the time wasted with Sanchez. Yeah, I know, playoffs in the first two years, but the ultimate Sanchez decision -- stay with him as the #1 QB -- was a disaster.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@a57se You didnt write him off?!!!!! OK 57 lol ok. You and Marvel were begging for Simms and saying how awful Geno was. 


QBs need to be placed in a good system. Continuity and adding weapons will add to Genos success you dont give up on a rookie qb after 4 games let alone a season. 

a57se
a57se

@JCuratola3 

I have never written him off. I have never considered him to be worth the second round pick we spent on him either.

I have been very consistent on this despite some peoples attempts to make my comments out to be extreme on Geno.