With Louisville Looming, Seton Hall Ravaged By Injuries

It always helps to have your full roster of players when facing the No. 3 team in the country.

But Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard won’t have anything close to his full roster when the Pirates (12-2, 1-1 Big East) host Louisville (13-1, 1-0) Wednesday night at the Prudential Center.

Already missing forward Patrik Auda (broken foot) for the season, Seton Hall will also be without forward Brian Oliver (ankle) and likely center Aaron Geramipoor (stress fracture right foot). Center Kevin Johnson is also working his way back from knee surgery.

Louisville, meantime, is without the services of forward Chane Behanan, who will miss up to 10 days with a high left ankle sprain.

“Anytime you play anybody in this league not at full strength, it’s tough,” Willard told SNY.tv Tuesday. “But playing them, the way they pressure, the way they can get up and down it makes it really difficult. They’re as good a team as I’ve seen on film so far this year.”

Since the return of Gorgui Dieng from a fractured wrist, Louisville knocked off defending national champion Kentucky and then pounded Providence by 18 points. New York guard Russ Smith, a Big East Player of the Year candidate, led all scorers with 23 points off the bench in that one.

“Especially with Gorgui back he really changes the way they play and how they are defensively,” Willard said. “I think with him in there, he changes the presence of the game and obviously Russ and Peyton Siva is as good a backcourt as anybody in the country.”

Without his injured bigs, Willard has started Gene Teague and Brandon Mobley up front in games against DePaul and Notre Dame, with Haralds Karlis, a sophomore guard from Latvia, also playing some four.

“The big thing was when we lost Auda, we moved Brian over to power forward spot,” Willard said. “We lost some physicality, but we gained some offense. Once Brian went down, we’ve really struggled to find a backup power forward. And that’s really kind of thrown us for a little bit of a dent in our rotations because it’s tough to just keep moving guys around.

“Until Kevin and Aaron get 100 percent, and really until we get Brian Oliver back, we really gotta be careful with having practice, when we practice, somehow trying to stay in shape because we don’t have a backup power forward right now.”

The good news for Seton Hall is that after games against Providence Sunday and at Marquette Jan. 16, they have a full week off to get guys healthy before resuming against USF Jan. 23.

Willard hopes that time off will pay off.

“If we can get Oliver back within the next week or two and we have a bye the week coming up after Marquette we can still have 13 games with him healthy and a healthy lineup, I think we’re  avery good offensive team,” he said.

“Hopefully we can become a good defensive team. If we can start defending a little bit better, we can score the basketball, we just gotta be able to stop teams.”

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93 comments
Pete 57
Pete 57

I believe Namath got $400,000 in 1965. In today's dollars that would be worth about 3 million. So yeah it's less, but 3 mil isn't pocket change.

bob
bob

From what I'm hearing the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers is really pissed of and rumor has is gonna be spiteful and keep Labron on the bench for 4 years.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Brick became more vocal because he had to yell at Winters to stop f'ing up.

tsjc68
tsjc68

From the Post Searchlight article:


I remember during the 1960s when University of Alabama Crimson Tide All-American quarterback Joe Namath came out of the University of Alabama and the New York Jets signed him for $100,000. Many people said that that was terrible and no athlete was worth that kind of money... Today, $100,000 would be like pocket change compared to some of the salaries professional athletes make.


Except that, according to U.S. Census data, the lower limit for household income for the top 5% of income tax filers in 1967 was... $19,000 a year.  (People at the 20th percentile of household incomes made $3,000 a year.  All year long.  The average salary was less than 5,000 a year.)  To wit, Peggy Olson got a raise to $19,000 on Mad Men and almost pooped her pants, because she knew that was a LOT of money to be making in the 1960s (especially for a woman.)


$100,000 doesn't sound super-rich now, because it's not super-rich now, but a $100,000 contract made Joe Montana a firm resident of the class of super-rich people in 1965, because people just didn't make that much, man.  Namath's contract back then was so scandalous (to the point that, as you pointed out, "many people said that that was terrible and no athlete was worth that kind of money") because $100k a year was just a whole lot of money in the 1960s.  


You could buy a house for like 20k.  A nice house, not some run-down shack.  You could by a car for 2k, and a luxury car for 4k.  


Joe didn't have to use loans to buy all those fur coats, you know. 


That Namath deal is more in line with the hoopla over ARod signing with the Rangers in 2001, placed in proper historical context.

tsjc68
tsjc68

From the Post article:


One thing about Ferguson: You can always count on him being in there. He not only never has missed a game, he never has missed a SNAP as a professional. That is remarkable durability for anyone in the NFL, especially for an offensive lineman.


Has Brick played the most snaps in the NFL since 2006?  If he's not #1, he's gotta be way up there near the top.  Ditto Mangold and Harris.  


I don't have access to any websites that track snapcounts, but if someone does, I'd love to know who is in the top 10 since Brick's entrance into the league.  Genuinely curious.

tsjc68
tsjc68

The team added some new fun toys to their defensive front seven in Jadeveon Clowney and Louis Nix, and they'll harass teams, but as McClain said, Johnson's their best offensive player. Running back Arian Foster's excellent, too, but Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback isn't ideal. Johnson's given quite a bit to help the Texans contend, and they're trying to convince him to finish out his career while they figure out a new offensive identity. We'll have to see if Johnson deals with the rebuilding, or uses his only way out: retirement. It could get ugly either way.


http://deadspin.com/andre-johnsons-only-way-out-of-houston-seems-to-be-reti-1603763959

levi
levi

@bob The prodigal A hole returns huh?

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@tsjc68

Namath's contract in its entirety was $427,000.  This included a job with the Jets for a relative.  Yes it was a boatload of money at the time.

Cleveland QB Frank Ryan uttered the words, "If he's worth $400,000, I'm worth a million."    

Namath made billionaires (owners) out of millionaires, and many players millionaires.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 He actually HAS missed a snap...the last play of the Dolphins game in the season finale in 2008.  The Jets lined up with Dearth at C, Ahmad Carroll at LG and a bunch of skill position players everywhere else as they tried to go coast-to-coast on a schoolyard play.  I think they did the same thing against the Colts in 2006 but Brick WAS on the field because I certainly remember Mangold had the ball at one point.


Mangold and Harris have missed plenty of snaps, so they'd be well behind him.  Joe Thomas - drafted one year after Brick - officially had the longest consecutive snap streak in the NFL entering week seven last year  - 6271 snaps by my count.  


Then it gets dicey because Thomas did miss a snap...but was it an offensive snap or a special teams snap?  Basically the Browns came out on 4th and one with their punt personnel and then shifted to a run formation and ran the ball.  Should that constitute a missed snap?  Since they lined up in a conventional set, I think it does.


Thomas and Brick basically haven't missed a snap, but each of them has officially missed a snap because they ran a gadget play neither was involved in.






tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

Every normal person in the world would read that story and come away with the impression that "The Packers are obviously going to retire Brett Favre's jersey someday, and someday soon, just not this particular year".


Only in the Hankzone is that story interpreted as "The Packers don't like that dirtbag and this is proof".


Bang-up job, there, Hankie.

levi
levi

@Hanknaples Go to Kiln Mississippi and talk that smack Hank. I lived there for a bit they sure love him in his home town.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Hanknaples


Favre won something like 3 NFL MVP's in Green Bay and won them a super bowl.......Packers look bad here and so do their fans.....Get over it......

levi
levi

@tsjc68 Its gonna be another Favre situation.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68

So, "consecutive" snaps aside, what's the leaderboard for "most snaps played, 2006-2013"?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68

Should that constitute a missed snap?  Since they lined up in a conventional set, I think it does.


If we're capable of excluding 4th quarter kneeldowns from negatively affecting a QB's rushing stats (which the NFL does), I think we should be willing and able to exclude "We're taking you out from this one snap even though you're healthy and awesome and totally would be in if we weren't trying something weird and crazy because this game is going to be a win/loss regardless" from actually relevant statistical recordkeeping like "consecutive snaps played".


I'd argue that neither Thomas nor Ferguson should be dinged for a one-snap lapse due to "DNP-CTOSCS™".


(The phrase "Did not play - coach trying out some crazy shizz" © tommiesmithjohncarlos, 2014.  All rights reserved.)

davem
davem

I'm sorry that you had to live there, Levi

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @tsjc68

I'll gladly take one year of Andre Johnson and then let him walk and sign with the Colts or the Titans.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @levi @bob It was kind of a sanctimonious piece but he (the original author not Drew) did raise some good points.


Interesting conversation about Bird and LeBron in the comments too with one major difference nobody mentions and that's that the basketball Bird's teams played was absolutely beautiful whereas LeBron just lumbers around overpowering people with his superior athleticism.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  That guy went to far but I did like some of it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @Disgruntled Jets Fan

One of these days I'm really going to have to watch The Thorn Birds so I can find out why Father Ralph de Briccasart was such a smooth, suave, and debonair dude  that Rhunette Ferguson was just compelled to name her baby after him.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@tsjc68

Sonny Werblin took a gamble and won.  Being the president of MCA, he was a talent expert and wanted such for his football team in NYC.  His revenues sky rocketed on Namath's past, his  star, and his eventual accomplishments on the field.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent There is no leaderboard, but you could theoretically work through PFF data year by year and eliminate everyone until you're down to anyone with more snaps than Brick (if there even is anyone).


Unfortunately, we don't have data for 2006 though and probably won't until two years time.


PFF data includes pre-snap penalties which are excluded from official NFL figures though.  


Football Outsiders relays the official figures (including ST) but only has 2012 and 2013 data.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent "If we're capable of excluding 4th quarter kneeldowns from negatively affecting a QB's rushing stats (which the NFL does)"


No they don't?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @tsjc68

Sure, he'll need a generation before the Packers will be willing to retire his number.


A generation of insects, maybe.


Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that there have been “good conversations” with Favre, but a jersey retirement ceremony isn’t happening until 2015 at the earliest.

Although Favre was once the most beloved athlete in Green Bay, much changed when he retired, un-retired and ultimately returned in the rival Vikings uniform. Murphy acknowledged that some fans have hard feelings toward Favre, and that could be a problem for any retirement ceremony.

“He wouldn’t want to come back to be booed,” Murphy said.

But while it won’t happen this year, there’s a good chance it will happen next year: Murphy said he’d like to retire Favre’s number before Favre is enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which will happen in the summer of 2016.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/10/packers-have-talked-to-favre-but-no-jersey-retirement-this-year/


levi
levi

@Hanknaples Sexting certainly didnt deter them from liking him.

BDarc23
BDarc23

Yeah great call. One of the best QBs of all time shouldn't get recognized. In fact he sucked all those years in Green Bay and everyone was fooled.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @levi @bob

It was kind of a sanctimonious piece but he (the original author not Drew) did raise some good points.


I disagree wholeheartedly.  Mark Kiszla's original piece fits right in with the great pantheon of Manish Mehta ignorant trollbaggery.  That article was the poops, every word of it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Lloyd Jay Reife @tsjc68

Good points.


I do wonder what Namath would have become had he not ended up in the media capital of the world, playing for the most media/PR/branding-savvy owner in pro sports.


Like, if he'd have taken the Cardinals offer instead and toiled away in St. Louis, winning zero SB rings.  He'd still have been a phenomenal passer (and underrated), but would he have lasting cultural cache?  I doubt it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68

Meh, don't bother then.  You already do so much for us with BGAs, I'm not going to foist another tedious compilation exercise on you.


Thanks, though.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @Hanknaples

BUT HE'S A DRUGGIE, LEVI.


(Pay no attention to the fact that the horrible, horrible drugs in question that Hank keeps referring to from Favre's past were not recreational drugs like cocaine or heroin or meth, but prescription painkillers, likely provided to him initially by team doctors so that he could selflessly keep suiting up for the team to try and help them win, or that multiple NFL players are now attempting to sue the league for unethically handing those things out like candy and getting players both addicted to them to deleterious effect AND leaving players' bodies irreparably shattered by masking the degenerative pain and serious injury they constantly accumulated that should have been treated with rest and proper medical care.... nah, screw that, he's just a druggie like Kenrick Ellis and we should mock him for his drug addiction.)

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 I love how Hank keeps calling Brett Favre "the biggest dirtbag of all time" even in a league that has employed OJ Simpson, Rae Carruth, Jovan Belcher, Mark Chmura, Michael Vick, Ben Roethlisberger, Lawrence Phillips, Cecil Collins, Lawrence Taylor, and Darryl Henley.


Oh, you stalked and killed your pregnant fianceé and then fled cross country, hiding in the trunk of your car?  You rape people like it's going out of style?  You financed a federally-indictable multi-state dogfighting ring and personally abused and assassinated helpless animals?  You enjoy beating women and dragging them down flights of stairs?  Your defense for being caught with an underage prostitute (who is probably a sex-trafficking victim, because most of them are) is "Yeah, but who takes the time to card a hooker?"  You're currently serving a 41-year sentence for cocaine trafficking AND for attempting to have the judge of your cocaine trafficking case murdered by contract killers?  You broke into a woman's house, just to watch her sleep?


Yeah, well, big deal:  Brett Favre pulled a sophomore fratboy move and sexted his dong to a hot chick.  And he has a painkiller addiction.  


WORST HUMAN BEING EVAR.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Hanknaples

BUT THEY'RE NOT RETIRING THE NUMBER, BRENDAN, CLEARLY THEY HATE THE DIRTBAG.


I wonder if Hank took note of all the acrimony between Joe Torre and the Yankees circa 2009-2011, when Torre was mad at the team for shoving him aside after 2007 and the team was mad at Torre for The Yankee Years and assumed that the bad blood would last forever and the Yankees would never patch things up and retire Torre's #6.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @levi @bob Some of the points he was making were not too far away from my own points about the farcical nature of the destination of the NBA title being decided by which team LeBron James wants to sign for rather than which contender develops into the best team.


Having said that, I made those comments when it looked like he was going to take one of the league's worst teams and fill it with his all-star buddies, all of whom would take paycuts and that hasn't actually happened.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

He knows Cleveland will be last last stop right before Canton and he want's to end the argument of who is truly the King of all time !!


Wait, LeBron James is going to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame?

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@tsjc68

It worked out quite well for Namath, the Jets, and NYC.  Story goes that when he couldn't get into Maryland because of his college boards score, the Maryland coach called his friend Bear Bryant (not in Maryland's conference of course) and told Bear about Namath.  He also warned Namath not to show up in Bryant's office with a cigarette this time.

He became "the greatest athlete I ever coached", said Bryant.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  I think people got upset because of how the season went when he was here. It was just a means to an end until he could go to Minny but that shouldnt take away from his legacy.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 I love how Aaron Hernandez didn't even make your dirtbag shortlist despite being an alleged serial killer.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68

I suppose Hank got the response he wanted from the TJB community. He is a master troll as far as knowing the buttons to push.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Brett Favre won more games with Green Bay than any QB not-named Peyton Manning has won in their entire career. The idea that his # shouldn't be retired eventually is nonsense. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Lloyd Jay Reife @tsjc68

Agreed.


Namath also reportedly got into fights with his southern white teammates when they acted like bigoted racists, which is pretty spectacular.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @tsjc68

Sure, but there's a big gap between "I liked Chad Pennington, was sad to see him leave, and then was disappointed when Brett got injured midway through the season and petered out and was unable to finish what looked to be our best quarterbacking season in years" to "I know in my heart of hearts that Brett Favre intentionally tanked the 2008 season for reasons I deign not to explain AND ruined the career of the greatest coach to have ever lived and not only will I hate him forever for it but I will attempt to tarnish the entirety of the rest of his legacy in Green Bay and Minnesota as well and pretend like he's not one of the best players of the past 30 years of the NFL, even though he is, because I'm an irrational, petulant, insane troll."

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23

He knows what buttons to push, unlike Brett Favre, who needs to learn not to push the "Send" button.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bent @tsjc68 @Disgruntled Jets Fan @Hanknaples they should retire his number, then unretire and reretire it a couple of times, in tribute.

levi
levi

@Bent  Yeah, could be by design.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @levi

The problem is the HC may not know how to use it!!


Apparently David Blatt is actually a really, really, really good coach, though, as in people have been saying for years that he's probably the best coach in the world not currently in the NBA already, and his Russian and Israeli teams were routinely outgunned athletically/physically but still beat opponents better than them on paper.


We'll see if he can replicate his success here, but everything I've read about him compares the hire to the Bulls hiring Phil Jackson (i.e., he's a good coach already, even if nobody knows it yet.)

levi
levi

@tsjc68  Good call! I didnt even think of that. Yes, he ruined Mangini forever and thats why he's the worst guy ever to play.


dont worry Im sure they will both make the HOF.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

So, in summation:


Guys who have raped and beaten and stabbed and shot innocent women and children (often in-utero) are dirtbags, of course, but Favre is a bigger dirtbag than all of them because he made a lot of money and set a lot of records while failing to win a SuperBowl for the Jets and Vikings fans who really wanted to win a Superbowl.


Gotcha, Hank.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples Selective reasoning?  I didn't reason about anything, I just pointed out to another poster that they missed a few guys off their list.  I didn't offer a single viewpoint on your discussion.

BDarc23
BDarc23

Literally any other QB on any NFL roster including the practice squad would have taken the 2011 Broncos to the playoffs and beat the Steelers.

Sincerely,

Tsjc68

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples I don't like Brett Favre as a person, that doesn't change the fact he's one of the best QB's ever. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @tsjc68 If Chansi Stuckey didn't fumble that one time, they'd both already be in the hall of fame.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  When you put it that way everyone who played for the Jets in the past 43 years are dirtbags stealing money. I HATE THEM ALL!!!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23

You left out all the guys in the CFL.


CALVILLO MOB ALL DAY HOMIE

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @levi @tsjc68

Man, there are so many datapoints of insanity it's hard to keep track of them all.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @tsjc68

I'm imagining Hank in a room with Cherica Adams's mother and now 15-year-old son, watching their reactions as Hank explains to them how and why he thinks Brett Favre should be considered a bigger dirtbag than Rae Carruth.

Pete 57
Pete 57

But it was Mangini who did not pull Favre when he was hurt. Mangini let the season go down the drain that year because he was afraid to sit Favre.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @Bent

I find it hilarious that you're discussing logic in the same breath as saying "Brett Favre is a bigger dirtbag than everyone on that list of rapists, statutory rapists, murderers, mass-murderers, drug traffickers, woman-beaters, animal abusers, burglars, stalkers, bullies, bigots and convicted felons because Brett Favre made a lot of money and didn't win a title for me and the team that I claim to root for and yet relentlessly bash while endlessly hyping up all of their rivals."

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @Brendan


How can you give ANY props to a guy Just because he has SURVIVED (on Drugs BTW) to throw the MOST ATTEMPTS with the MOST INTERCEPTIONS and the MOST FUMBLES ????


Yeah, eff that.  Sure, you threw for a ton of yards and touchdowns, but you also had a lot of attempts and turnovers too, you suck.


And you used drugs and had banged a lot of chicks.


Sincerely,

Joe Namath

levi
levi

@tsjc68  Id like to get about a sixer in me burn a fatty and sit down to talk with Hank for a while. I think it would be fascinating....or I would quickly get up and leave shaking my head....

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Pete 57

Don't bother trying to tell that to Hank, he's insane.

Pete 57
Pete 57

I agree it would have taken big ba!!s to do it but in retrospect he ended up getting fired eventually so why not. I also had a big problem with Schotty not game planning around the injury. He just kept dialing up passing plays. We had a very good running game to use.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples

You're half right on that Pete because first, Mangini had orders from both his bosses to play him!!


Mike Tannenbaum: Eric, I order you to play Brett Favre over Kellen Clemens.

Eric Mangini: Um, yeah, dumbass, I was already going to do that.  He's Brett Favre, and he's Kellen Clemens.  OF COURSE I'M GOING TO PICK BRETT FAVRE OVER KELLEN CLEMENS, HE'S BRETT FREAKING FAVRE AND HE'S KELLEN FREAKING CLEMENS.

Mike Tannenbaum: Good, great, glad we got that resolved.  Say, now that Dewayne Robertson is gone, what do you think we should do about NT?  Because I really liked Robertson at NT.

Eric Mangini: Robertson at NT wasn't very good, dude.  Kris Jenkins and Sione Pouha are fine.

Mike Tannenbaum: Is Sione a good enough NT to free up Revis and Lowery to make plays at CB, though?  Because CB play is completely controlled by NT play.  I read that somewhere.  Should we bring in one of the NTs from the Browns?  Those guys look like they're about to turn a corner and be one of the elite franchises in the league.

Eric Mangini: Get the @##% out of my office, Mike.


... aaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @Pete 57

Those 60,000 fans and that whole city full/state full of worshippers do not think that Brett Favre is the biggest dirt bag in the world, Hank.


You are the only person who thinks that.


Well, maybe you and Jenn Sterger, but if she thinks that, she's just as ignorant as you are.


And, for the 1,000th time, Brett Favre did not tank the 2008 season.