Amar’e, Melo Both Questionable After First Scrimmage Together

MeloAmareBy JOSH NEWMAN

Special to ZAGSBLOG

GREENBURGH, N.Y. – Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony may have scrimmaged together in practice on Monday afternoon for the first time this season, but the return of one or even both stars remains up in the air.

Anthony has missed the last two games with a hyperextended left knee and did not go full in practice on Monday, while Stoudemire, out the entire season to this point after left knee surgery in the preseason, went full on Monday. Both players remain questionable to play on Tuesday against the Portland Trail Blazers at Madison Square Garden.

The timetable on Stoudemire was 6-8 weeks after surgery. Monday marked eight weeks, but he said after practice on Sunday that he is less than 80 percent right now due to lingering soreness in the knee.

“We’ll have a better feel tomorrow based on practice today,” Knicks head coach Mike Woodson said. “I thought he moved around pretty good today. We’ll assess him tomorrow, he’s still day-to-day as far as I’m concerned. We’ll see how he feels and he’ll let us know. He got through everything today, which was kind of nice.”

The problem for Stoudemire right now appears to be a combination of conditioning, which is understandable after such a long layoff, and gaining knowledge of the Knicks’ defensive sets. Stoudemire put in some extra post-practice work with a few members of the second unit in an effort to better learn the defense.

While Stoudemire’s prognosis seemingly could go either way, Anthony painted a grimmer picture of whether or not he would play on Tuesday.

“I’m still trying to work on getting my lift back,” Anthony said. “Yesterday was the first day I actually did something on the court in terms of shooting. Today, I did most of the practice, but it still don’t feel right as far as my balance, and my lift and the power that I need off that.”

The NBA’s second leading scorer at 28.5 points per game, Anthony injured his knee during a Christmas Day loss at the Los Angeles Lakers, then sat out a buzzer-beating win at the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday and a buzzer-beating loss at the Sacramento Kings on Friday.

All told, the early MVP candidate has missed six games this season with hand, ankle and now knee injuries.

“If I don’t have no lift and my power back in my legs, I don’t think I’m gonna try to do it,” Anthony said of a possible return on Tuesday. “Running up and down, there’s no pain, just weakness in my leg. I don’t feel like I have the full strength that I need right now, so I wanted to go out there today and try and get through a practice, take a little bit of contact to see how it feels.”

Whenever Anthony and Stoudemire get back on the court together, all eyes will be on the pair, which has been charged with bringing the Knicks to the promised land. Including the playoffs, they are 31-40 together, but 8-2 under Woodson.

“It felt good today, seeing him out there running our offense, getting him back into the flow of things, just playing within the system and everybody feeling  comfortable out there,” Anthony said of Stoudemire. “He’s fitting right in so far in practice. Right now, it’s just about him getting his legs underneath him. When he’s ready to come back, our arms are open to him.”

Also on the injury front, Tyson Chandler is officially probable with a sprained right ankle and Rasheed Wallace is listed as questionable with a sore left foot.

On Chandler and Jason Kidd (recovery day), Woodson said they were just pampering them a bit based on the minutes they had played recently.

“I’m sure they’ll both be ready for tomorrow,” Woodson said.

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268 comments
Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

No one would ever confuse me with a professional quarterback but I find ins to be a much easier throw than outs. The discrepancies between Geno's results on those throws is puzzling. Is it Geno or his receivers? Hopefully Bent has some insight.....

a57se
a57se

No media coverage at today's practice?

nesboogie
nesboogie

Kyle Wilson sucks lol. Who cares if he goes to NE, that would help us out. Anybody remember when he had like 4 consecutive penalties called on him vs Bills. Still won though.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Jeff E. Guy Remember this is with reference to everyone else's numbers.  So if ins are easier (and yes, I'm sure they are, because it's a more obtuse angle) then EVERYONE will do better at them.


I'd imagine the struggles would be linked to his struggles to read the field over the first few months.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

I wonder if we'll ever get the whole story?

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Does "designation left squad" mean that he left the team willingly? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se Yes, there is...practice was just a bit later today.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@nesboogie he had 4 penelties called on him all year...3 of them came during his little meltdown in the buffalo game  

__fense
__fense

@nesboogie All four of those penalties came from one line judge, standing on the opposite side of the field as Wilson was playing, who had just refused to get a measurement for a 4th and inches spot when Rex asked for one, forcing him to blow a challenge. Both the Judge and the read Ref from that game no longer work for the NFL. 

Brendan
Brendan

@nesboogie So you're under the impression there is an abundance of good slot corners? 


And you may be interested to know those penalties in the Bills game were his only flags all season. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@nesboogie Yeah and in every other game last year he had zero penalties, amazingly.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@nesboogie That was a bad few minutes for sure but Kyle Wilson is pretty good.  He also seems to get a little better every year.

williamg1
williamg1

@nesboogie It became clear that Wilson's days with the Jets are numbered when he cut off his dreads. 

redskins
redskins

@tsjc68 This will easily get overturned. Even if it doesn't, I hope people realize that they can keep the logo. It's just the name which isn't even a big deal considering knock off gear is sold at every game anyway. It's like a 3% revenue loss for all owners, lol.

jdb4
jdb4

@tsjc68 

WooooHOOOOOOO!   Racism is dead!  (end sarcasm)

jaygo
jaygo

@tsjc68


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F9vRVyV914


Boy, the way Glen Miller played. Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Dodgers win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.
Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don't know just what went wrong. Those Were The Days.

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 Only a matter of time until they're forced to change their name. They should adopt "Bullets".....

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent I would imagine not.  I heard more than was ever actually reported in the Goodson saga last year, which surprised me.  Same with McKnight.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent I imagine they've done that so that there is no doubt he dumped them.  If they dumped him, an injury settlement could theoretically be due since he's not 100% yet.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

yeah, I figured that out once the tweets started from practice!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @nesboogie

And IIRC, some of those penalties in that flurry of flags against Buffalo were pretty sketchy.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins "thank god" 


Go back to the sewer you crawled out of, please. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @tsjc68 You do know that Archie Bunker was not the hero of that show, right?  He's a classic anti-hero.


You're supposed to like him and root for him, because he's lovable and his heart is ultimately in the right place, but the show is not encouraging you to emulate his views or perspectives or opinions (because they're flawed and wrong, and the show's moral compass frequently showed how wrong Archie was and how much he needed to and should have changed).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1

And it's not even about just Synder and what he personally wants anymore.  Merchandizing revenue is shared amongst all 32 teams, so every "counterfeit" RGIII jersey that is now legal to make that gets sold means there's one fewer NFL-licensed authentic jersey that gets sold, and each team gets one fewer 1/32nd of that revenue that is no longer coming in.


The Bigotskins losing their monopoly on the financial benefits of the Bigotskins logo now means that there will be less money coming into Woody Johnson's pocket, and Jerry Richardson's pocket, and Paul Allen's pocket, and Dan Rooney's pocket, and Stephen Ross's pocket, etc.


If there's anything rich guys hate, it's making less money than before.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Right, so they're getting out from paying him anything, it sounds like? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @nesboogie Yeah, him and Vlad and nine between them and only about four of them were even semi-legit.

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins You realize most Native Americans don't take offense with the word right? It's just Harry Reid and the PC police getting involved.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @jaygo Modern Family is the current gen version of this show. The Jay character is similar.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @williamg1 The PO's ruling, however, will be stayed pending appeal to the DC Circuit.  I'm not an intellectual property lawyer or an expert on administrative law, but the ____skins trademark has been around a long time and I'm not sure changing mores are sufficient to sustain the PO's decision as a matter of law.  Also, what happens to the Indians, Braves, Chiefs?


However, Snyder has lost in the court of public opinion.  If I were him, I'd meet with a First Nations' council and try to agree on a name that honors, and does not disparage, Native Americans.  There must be a name that honors their indomitable spirit, without being offensive.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Not necessarily and I think he has his stuff back together this year so I'm rooting for him.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent Yeah, but they're probably giving up on the chance of potentially recovering bonus money.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @tsjc68 

So Vlad wasn't as penalty prone as the team made him out to be?

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins That is a false claim. 


Snyder paying small quasi-tribes to back him is not indicative of an entire race of people's opinions on the subject. 

a57se
a57se

@redskins @Brendan 

I don't know about that.....I've seen some articles where it is not that clearcut.

redskins
redskins

@a57se @Brendan @redskins No I accidentally posted twice. I'm entitled to my opinion.


Not quite sure why he told me to return to a sewer though.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 It will be interesting to see this play out, for sure. They are setting a precedent and they need to treat lightly. 


That being said, I think this is a good first step. Snyder worships at the Church of the Almighty Dollar. You start to take that away, or cost him millions defending his right to use something, and his attitude may change. 


The Indians got rid of "Chief Wahoo" (I mean jesus...can you be more offensive), but it really needs to be addressed across the board. Florida State is Seminole Country (literally) and give money to the tribe, so I think they should keep it. It's not a slur and it's their formal name. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @tsjc68

And, ironically, changing the name probably makes more money than keeping it does, even absent this new trademark revocation development.


Pretty much every name change/color change/uniform change means new revenue streams.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Where is he at? I didn't hear anything about someone picking him up.

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins "There are Native American schools that call their teams Redskins. The term is used affectionately by some natives, similar to the way the N-word is used by some African-Americans. In the only recent poll to ask native people about the subject, 90 percent of respondents did not consider the term offensive, although many question the cultural credentials of the respondents."



http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/


I can keep going if you want.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @BDarc23 It's not a cartoon. Not sure if you are being serious or not. You might be thinking Family Guy?

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples 

The money will determine what happens Hank. that is the bottom line in this discussion, 68 got this one right.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples @a57se 

Hank, they rule the courts. Activism among justices has never been as high as it is now. They don't care what the constitution has to say anymore.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples And if you want to reference the constitution, read it first. 


The Congress shall have power ... To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;


Patents aren't eternal. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Hank, for someone who is a minority you have an insane way of viewing racial subjects. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

I meant in 2013. He was made the scapegoat for all the penalties early in the season.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins So your point is that Native Americans (key word: some) use the word the way certain African Americans use the n-word....so it's cool to name a team the "New York N***ers?" 


Of course not, because that is in-fcking-sane. 


And I love that your definitive proof is a poll that didn't ask key questions. Also from that article: 


“Are you a tribal person? What is your nation? What is your tribe? Would you say you are culturally or socially or politically native?” Harjo asked. Those without such connections cannot represent native opinions, she said.

Indian support for the name “is really a classic case of internalized oppression,” Harjo said. “People taking on what has been said about them, how they have been described, to such an extent that they don’t even notice.”


a57se
a57se

@redskins @Brendan 

If the term 'redskins' is akin to the 'N' word then it would not be offensive when Native Americans use the term but if OTHERS use the term it would be offensive...Try naming a team the New York N-words...

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 @a57se 

You are probably right, i don't watch much broadcast TV anymore.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @tsjc68 Yeah, but, you are aware that there's an invention called television, and on this invention they show shows, right?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent I think they were just looking for an excuse not to play him.

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins No, that was not my point at all. My point was that the majority of those who people feel are affected by the name are, in fact, NOT affected. It's just liberals who are offended so they feel EVERYONE should be offended.


It doesn't matter though. The new trademark ruling will get appealed into oblivion or overturned. Sorry!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Whoa. We literally just posted the same thing. Start preparing for Armageddon, people, the world is ending. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Oh, I actually saw that movie....don't remember lines from it though.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Then you've lied in the past, because you've claimed multiple times you are Cuban. 


I don't deny my heritage. I'm Irish, Italian and Scottish. Or as it's known otherwise...NY Melting Pot. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Apologize for proving you uninformed? No. You don't know the Constitution, just another uninformed person who thinks he knows something because he's been around for a while. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 

Are you insinuating that Hank is not a minority?

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples How in the world is that what you took from my comment? 


What minority is violating the law here? 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

I guess the scheme change up front was Vlad's doom.

I hope he lights it up in Minnesota.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins I can tell by your fantastic reading comprehension skills that you're clearly a constitutional lawyer. 

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins Are the petty insults really necessary? Are you unable to debate like an adult?


And you don't need to be a lawyer to understand the meaning and processes of "appeal" and "overturned".

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Great, I remember it differently but rather than fight I apologized. See how easy that was? Try it sometime. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Sure, Hank. I apologize for mistakenly thinking you were of Cuban descent. 


This doesn't change the fact that you are, in fact, a minority that holds a position that a minority group doesn't have the right to be offended by racist commentary. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples I did, Hank. I quoted it to you, but here it is again: 


The Congress shall have power ... To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;


What's your point? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It means he's Cuban and, if Bent is right and found Hank in the stands of a Bucs game (when Hank said he was on TV), then he looks like John Lithgow. 


Therefore...Cuban John Lithgow. 

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins I don't see the point in trying to enter into civilized discourse with someone who is voluntarily misrepresenting the situation. 


You need to be a lawyer to say confidently that something will get overturned. Otherwise, you're just speaking out of turn. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@williamg1 @a57se @BDarc23 57 is a curmudgeon, don't expect him to like anything like modern social commentary like the Simpsons or South Park.

 I find it hilarious that he calls it childish when he's the most childish poster on this blog.


a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @a57se 

Any show where the main character is a complete moron usually leaves me not interested.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

you didn't apologize for the most egregious part of your error. Calling him a liar!


redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins How am I misrepresenting the situation? Because of my opinion? I disagree.


And no, you don't need to be a lawyer to confidently say it will be overturned. They already succeeded once before at a U.S. District Court.


I'll leave this here, too, although the small sample size is laughable.


http://ap-gfkpoll.com/featured/our-latest-story-2

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Why are you talking? You are not Hank. I apologized to Hank. 

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins As you said, the sample size is laughable. Why bother posting that? So they polled 1,000 random people, not people in the minority group, about their opinions? What purpose does that serve other than highlighting the underlying racial tendencies of middle-aged people? Did they find anyone under the age of 50 to put their name to their racism? 


Useless poll. 


And regarding the old court case, that's kind of irrelevant since there is a new generation of Native Americans that laches might not be applied to. The reason appeals courts exist is to overturn dated laws that are no longer relevant or need to be altered. Welcome to the judicial system of America. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That excuses him emphatically stating others are wrong when he isn't right himself? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And no one waits for yours. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @williamg1 

Pretty much he was. And I wasn't a big fan of that show either.

I tended to take the Meatheads' side.....

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins Lol wow. Major confirmation bias going on here. You're a lost cause my friend. 


"underlying racial tendencies of middle-aged people" is quite the reach. 


You claiming the poll is useless b/c it supports my point is laughable. Not surprising though.


"overturn dated laws that are no longer relevent" LOL it was twenty years ago not during ww2. 


Stop reaching dude. I'm sorry the PC police won't get their way: the name isn't changing. Welcome to common sense.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

I like how you edited your post from 'wits' to 'waits'

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1

I tended to take the Meatheads' side..... 

Apparently you stopped doing so sometime between when that show ended and when you started posting here.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins 


""underlying racial tendencies of middle-aged people" is quite the reach. " 


And you're naive. 


"You claiming the poll is useless b/c it supports my point is laughable. Not surprising though."


No, I claimed it's useless because a) it's a poll of one thousand people in a country over hundreds of millions and b) because it's a poll of people that are not part of the minority group in question. If you polled random people about the use of the word "f*g" you'd get some scary results, does that mean we should allow people to use it whenever they want? No. 


""overturn dated laws that are no longer relevent" LOL it was twenty years ago not during ww2."


It was over 20 years ago, if you want to be matter-of-fact. And unless society is identical to the way it was over 20 years ago, then my point stands. 


"Stop reaching dude. I'm sorry the PC police won't get their way: the name isn't changing. Welcome to common sense"


Spoken like a true, entitled white American. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yeah, if you read the post I was responding to it's obvious what I meant to say, so I edited it (also note that you can only edit a post up to 5 minutes after you post it, so you just missed it when it originally happened...three hours ago). 


1- You waited 3 hours to post this riveting commentary? 


2- Notice how I won't cry and whine and stamp my feet and call you a liar? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That must be it. 


If you took a straw poll on whether or not someone would like a brisk slap to the face, or to sit through your "humor," I'd bet it'd be a dead heat, if not a runaway for "face slap." 

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @a57se When did i "emphatically" state  everyone is wrong? And of course I believe i'm right it's called an opinion.


You're really bad at this stuff.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I was doing other things and just got back to this. It isn't a big deal except that my post was simply a play on your typo so now that is gone and my comment loses its' context.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @a57se


My favorite part of all this convo is that 57 just claimed that "Hank handles it like a grown man" when he's told that he's wrong.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

You're right, I don't.  All I know is what you post here, and your postings here sound a whole lot more like Archie Bunker than Meathead.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins Probably the time you came into a Jets blog to talk about the Redskins name and tell everyone discussing the change that it "will" be overturned. Doesn't leave much wiggle room when you're speaking in absolutes. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one is going to come back and read it, so who cares? 

redskins
redskins

@Brendan @redskins "You need to be a lawyer to say confidently that something will get overturned"


pot meet kettle.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Nope.  You're confusing yourself with some other version of yourself that you think exists, but does not.

Brendan
Brendan

@redskins Can you read? I was quoting you. I didn't say it, you did. 

jaygo
jaygo

@tsjc68 @Brendan


Jeez, posted Archie and Edith singing because I agree with the lyrics that the good ole days weren't so bad.  This politically correct world where "Redskins" is bad after all these years gets to me sometimes.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Hanks' statements that you have rightfully chided him on are Archie Bunker material very clearly.

The Sweden thing, Mississppi Delta blues nonsense, the Incognito debacle and a ton more...

I think Archie Bunker is a Hank Idol.


tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @tsjc68 @Brendan

This politically correct world where "Redskins" is bad after all these years gets to me sometimes.


"Redskins" was bad the whole time.  White people just didn't start paying attention/listening to others/caring about the opinions of others until recently, that's all that's changed.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @tsjc68 @Brendan

It's a lot easier to say that when it's not your religious artifacts and cultural history that are being appropriated for someone else's whimsy and financial gain.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

And yet, your perspective and Hank's perspective overlap far more than you're willing to admit now.  Despite the fact that you are Hank's biggest backer and confidant around here, by far.

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @jaygo


What is a slur has changed over time and, while I agree it is derogatory by today's standards, I find it arbitrary to pick on the Redskins.  Ever wonder how the Cleveland Browns became the Browns?


From wiki: McBride, however, changed it to the Browns two months later, the result of another naming contest that suggested Browns, not after Paul Brown himself, but as a shortened version of Brown Bomber, a reference to the nickname of boxer Joe Louis.


Hmmm, so a "brown" is a "black."  


How about "buccaneer"?  Buccaneers are murderous crooks but that's OK.


How about "Raider"?


Many associate "Viking" with wild haired dirty savages who rape and pillage.


I get it--Redskins were targeted and can't win.  Doesn't mean I have to agree.  Some things just get grandfathered as old school silly.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

I tell hank when I think he is wrong, I do the same to you and others.

Hank handles it like a grown man, you and brendan act like butt hurt children and attack me instead.

I can handle it.

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo 


The "Brown Bomber" is racist? Joe Louis was brown and he dropped bombs. Is the "Black Mamba" racist to Kobe Bryant? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo @Brendan ...but a Buccaneer, Raider or Viking would describe themselves as exactly that.  This analogy only works if they are offensive versions of what each of those would actually call themselves.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jaygo @Brendan

It's worth noting that what many Native American people find most offensive isn't even the slur, but the fact that these white people wear feather headdresses to games.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@a57se @tsjc68 Your version of "handling it" includes calling people names, telling them to f off, whining to Bent, throwing tantrums, and complaining of "harassment."

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Nobody agrees with Hank's position as frequently as you do.


Nobody.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @jaygo @Brendan

And those terms weren't used in a pejorative sense, by and large.


Saying "You're a pirate" doesn't come attached with a suitcase full of negative stereotypes of limited intellect, savagery, immorality, etc.


The reason there was a historical preponderance of Native American imagery in American sports (right alongside of imagery of savage animals like Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!) is because racist white people equated American Indians with thoughtless, savage beasts who had the intellect of children.


Bears hunted and killed and destroyed.  So did the "noble savage" red-man, according to standard white bigotry of that era.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bent @jaygo @Brendan If I was a pirate, I'd be offended by tge Bucs and Raiders, but only because of their crappy product on the field.  Also, I'd be swimming in booty and wenches, I believe.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @a57se @tsjc68

57 really, genuinely believes that there's this world that exists where he's Meathead, Champion of the Downtrodden, and he's the calm, mature, reasonable adult and all the rest of us are snotty punks who can't play nice with one another and act in an immature and unreasonable fashion.


And where Hank is just misunderstood and we need to be nicer to him.

jaygo
jaygo

@tsjc68 @Bent @jaygo @Brendan I will not and don't have the time today to belabor the point today, but I hear you all and agree the name will change.  That said, do you really think the guys who picked the name "Redskins" wanted the public to think of them negatively as racists like a "redskin" was, as you say, a less than human savage beast to be hunted and killed?  Something tells me that back in the day they thought it portrayed a positive image of courage, toughness, community, fight to the death, etc. and that image was accepted as such.  Times change, people change, standards change.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@jaygo @tsjc68 @Bent @Brendan That's a pretty romanticized view you've got. Native americans were systematically exterminated, partly because they were viewed as subhuman savages, and suddenly "redskins" is a respectful term? Nice revisionist history.


Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo I think when the Redskins name was picked (1933), being racially tolerant and fair to Native Americans wasn't even entering the mind of the owner of a professional team.