Back from Kentucky, Gordon Still Targeting Spring Signing

Aaron Gordon is back from his weekend official visit to Kentucky and still targeting a spring signing, his AAU coach told SNY.tv Monday evening.

“Yeah, but it could change tomorrow,” Mark Olivier, executive director of the Oakland Soldiers, said by phone. “You never know, you know? His plan is to do it in the spring so he wanted to watch the games [during the season].”

The 6-foot-9 Gordon has now taken official visits to five schools — Washington, Arizona, Oregon, Kansas and Kentucky — plus an unofficial to Cal.

He was not immediately available for comment Monday, but Tweeted on Sunday: “UOrgeon, Uwashingon, Ukansas, Uarizona, Ukentuky…this is gunna be tough.”

Gordon is one of several high-profile recruits and likely future NBA lottery picks who are expected to sign in the spring.

Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Julius Randle are also in that group.

The early signing period begins Wednesday and ends Nov. 21.

In a recent article in the Mercury News, Gordon, out of San Jose Archbishop Mitty, said he was tiring of the recruiting process.

“Playing basketball is fun, and that’s what gets you to this point,” Gordon told the paper. “But the actual recruiting is not fun. A lot of people want to put their hands on my decision. But it’s not theirs. It’s mine.”

Added Gordon’s father, Ed: “We’re certainly not rushing him. But yes, we’re ready to have this be over.”

Still, Olivier said the family was used to the process, having gone through it with older brother, Drew.

“They’ve been through it with Drew, so it isn’t their first rodeo by no means,” Olivier said.

Washington has long been considered to have an inside track because head coach Lorenzo Romar and Ed grew up in the same Los Angeles neighborhood.

Arizona, meantime, has a pipeline to the Soldiers program, having landed Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson and Brandon Ashley in recent years. (Turner is no longer with the program.)

“I just think that they like Washington and I don’t think it’s one ahead of the other or anything like that,” Olivier said. “Aaron’s a kid that gets the vibe, and once he gets the vibe, that’s who he’s going to go with. It’s where he thinks it’s going to be a good fit at the end of the day. It’s going to be his decision.”

Kentucky already has a loaded class for 2013 with forwards Marcus Lee and Derek Willis and guards/wings Aaron and Andrew Harrison and James Young.

The Wildcats also remain in the mix for both Randle and Wiggins in the spring, but Olivier said none of that would scare or deter Gordon from potentially choosing the defending NCAA champs.

“Have you ever see Aaron Gordon play?” Olivier asked rhetorically. “I don’t think it’s a question of if he can fit in. I don’t care what school he goes to. For his situation, he wouldn’t have trouble fitting in anywhere.

“Aaron offers some things that, he’s like Blake Griffin, man. I’ve been very blessed to have him for the last two years in our program. I know the kid’s heart, his toughness. That kid’s going to be on the court. When you compare Aaron to all those kids, I’m not worried about Aaron. I think some of those other kids, it might be vice versa.”

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212 comments
UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Geno came on strong despite having a weak play making supporting cast and an inconsistent oline with a MAJOR weak link. With another solid training camp and some bonafide weapons on offense, Geno will make a substantial jump.


The difference between Geno and Mark, is that Geno doesn't need a top supporting cast like Mark did in 2009/10. All Geno needs is a competent one with some playmakers like most QBs do. Geno has much more of the physical tools to do more with less than Mark and that is the difference. The way I see it, if Geno can get us 8 wins as a rookie with a dearth of play makers and an offensive line that was wildly inconsistent with a major weak link that affected the entire oline, then, when these problems are addressed and he has another solid training camp under his belt, I see no reason that he cant excel and take the Jets where they need to go. 


Geno was a raw rookie from a non pro style college offense and had many obstacles his first season with the Jets and still finished with the arrow pointing up. That is huge and gives me much optimism, but the key is, the Jets have to support him with the resources that he needs to succeed. I was impressed with Geno last season down the stretch and see a solid NFL QB in him if he is given the time and supporting cast to develop.    

lagoo
lagoo

Geno had a better rookie season than mark Sanchez behind a worse offensive line with similar talent at receiver as long as he improves I think he can be a solid starter for years to come. He's dynamic when he decides to run the ball when plays break down. I don't care about 40 times or that he wAsnt a scrambler in college dude can run

lagoo
lagoo

Jarius Byrd wants to be highest paid safety in nfl. 8.5 mil would make him the highest paid safety in the league I would love Byrd at 8.5

lagoo
lagoo

So if demarcus ware doesn't take a pay cut he's going to be cut. Don't think he'll take a pay cut considering the cowboys are perpetually 8-8. I would definitely be interested

harvlis
harvlis

Geno didn't wow me, at any time during the season.  I hope that Rex is not satisfied with Geno.  I would still continue to go with Geno, to see if he can blossom into a solid starter but, I would get a quality veteran to back him up, just in case he shows that he can't take the next step.   

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Evan Silva @evansilva

#Bengals gave Andrew Hawkins the "original pick" tender & he was UDFA. Would not cost a pick to sign away via offer sheet.


Love Hawkins 

Juan Montalvo
Juan Montalvo

What worries me is Rex. I'm not sure if he can control himself and not draft Defence in the 1st round. We need a TE or a WR in the 1st. We need speed in the first 2 rounds,to open up the the running game,to help Geno. Rex's lack of interest in the Offence worries me. 

williamg1
williamg1

@jake100  We really don't know if Geno needs a top supporting cast or not. 


I know he was successful in WV, but he sure had a top supporting cast. 

williamg1
williamg1

@lagoo  Their rookie seasons were pretty similar (and awful). I'd take last year's receiving corp over 2009's. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@lagoo  He turned down 10 though...

lagoo
lagoo

Get whitner for 6mil our secondary would do a 360 doubt we'll get both

marcus81
marcus81

@jaygo receivers than can catch the ball and extend drives and a Line that plays steady will make a world of difference

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo  You do realize that Eli's offensive line was WORSE the year they won the Super Bowl, don't you?

lagoo
lagoo

Same age as cro he's a better tackler but I'd still rather have shields. Seattle didn't miss a beat without browner

Bent
Bent moderator

@MarshRandy  Yep, this is a guy I've got my eye on.  Still in play.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@Juan Montalvo  I have no issue drafting defense if he's the best player available. While an offensive player should win in a toss-up, this team isn't just one piece away. Gotta keep building; we're close, but we're not there yet.

Pat d
Pat d

What worries me if we don't pick BPA. To limit yourself by position in each round is not how the draft works.

__fense
__fense

@Juan Montalvo  Have the Jets really made a wrong decision with the first round in the last 3 years? I'll start getting upset at all the defensive picks when we stop picking pro bowl contenders and ROTYs. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Juan Montalvo  Rex doesn't have final say on the draft. That's Idzik. Rex definitely had some pull with Tanny, but Idzik won't be swayed by Rex getting all bubbly over some DE or something. 

D
D

@williamg1 @jake100 id rather see what he can do with better skilled position players than not.   8 and 8 with garbage commendable.   Geno has an NFL arm, say what you want but he does.  None of our receivers could get open or separation last year.  It was even more noticeable when Kerley got hurt and was out for that stretch of games


NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@williamg1 @lagoo  "I'd take last year's receiving corp over 2009's."


Please tell me you are joking. You'd take our WRs from last year (including their injuries) over a relatively healthy Braylon & Jerrico???

lagoo
lagoo

Yea I just saw he turned down 30mil over the first three years screw that. Give me Delmas or another fa

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

@bent I wonder if he's lookin for more money or just wants out of Buffalo

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

Whitner is a liability in coverage and 360 puts us in the same exact spot btw

gbrownn
gbrownn

Browner = tone setter. We don't have anyone like that on defense. If we bring in him and ware we would not have to shop for anymore defensive free agents. Exactly what this d is missing

Pat d
Pat d

Draft Carr if there at 18

harold
harold

@Bent

He has great acceleration and may be a good fit. 

Bent:

I didn't see anything as far as return skills, does he play any special teams 

Juan Montalvo
Juan Montalvo

@J. Smooth @Juan Montalvo  This Draft is made for us. It has everything we need to fix our offense in one shot. We just went through a year of great D but no O. How many more games would the Jets have won with two more decent receivers,or a good TE. I want the Jets to win 28-10 not 10-6. It's Geno that needs the help not Rex. If Geno has the tools,he'll be able to keep our great D on the bench,and not playing most of the game,because the Offense goes 3 and out most of the game.   

Juan Montalvo
Juan Montalvo

@__fense @Juan Montalvo  That's what worries me. Since he's done so well on his Defensive Picks,the last three years,I think Idzik will be reluctant to go against Rex's wishes. We need more balance on this team and we're not going to see too many years like this one where we have so much Offensive talent like we see in this Draft.  

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Daniel @williamg1 @jake100  

Exactly, I dont think I would be going overboard if I said Geno has a much greater chance of success with some real play makers rather than garbage around him like last season.

D
D

@williamg1 haaa. im not even trying to argue with you.  Geno doesnt deserve all the credit.    This thread is about his progression from the end of year.    you said we dont know if he needs a supporting cast, but he had one at WV which means he was already successful with good receivers. 

Can you imagine if Geno never scored or even made plays with his legs?  The offense was trash last season especially with the skilled position players.  

williamg1
williamg1

@Daniel @williamg1 @jake100  Wait, so you are crediting Geno with the 8 and 8 record? That's sort of silly. 


Please stop saying receivers weren't getting open. They were. And stop with the "Geno has an NFL arm, say what you want but he does"? Who are you arguing with? Yourself, apparently, considering no one has brought that up. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@NYCPEinGermany @williamg1 @lagoo  


I'd say it's a fair comment.  They opened the season with:


Cotchery

Stuckey

Brad Smith

Clowney

Wallace Wright


That group doesn't have anywhere near the depth the Jets had last year.


Yes, they added Braylon in week five, but he didn't have immediate chemistry with Sanchez and had three catches or less in 9 of 12 regular season games as a Jet (and 4, 5 and 5 in the other three) so he was hardly producing like a #1.


Maybe once Braylon arrives it's a wash but I'd still give the edge to 2013 once Nelson started to contribute, even with the injuries across the board.  Ironically Sanchez's most consistent play during the regular season was right at the start before Braylon arrived.  

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

I'd love a ball hawking Safety like Byrd but I highly doubt 8.5 gets it done bc the bills offered more than that. Or Maybe he just really wanted to get out of buffalo. I like Nicks he had 800+ in a down year that would've lead the Jets. I'd sign James Jones 3/15 mill Nicks 2/12 mill with performance escalators.

I mentioned Britt and the beginning of the offseason but I don't think it's a good idea because he's always in trouble and bringing him to his hometown might make thing worse.

lagoo
lagoo

Lol true well a 180 than. We should really consider Byrd though one of the best in the game and safety's don't demean as much mula. I know we need offense but there's no one in fa that is a guarentee to make us better. I like Hakeem nicks the best but he's always hurt. Maybe go low risk high reward with kenny Britt who also has injury problems

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo @Bent  The visual test in this case does match the numbers.  Manning was running for his life during the playoffs and was under more pressure than he was in the regular season.  Doesn't anyone remember that?  It was a great job by him to overcome that and I have a ton of respect for how he kept getting back up.  The fact he couldn't overcome a line which was bad but not quite as bad last year must mean there was other reasons, like perhaps the performance of his receivers which you also identified.


It's the same as Ray Lewis in 2012 for me.  Everyone assumes he did a great job because they won it all, but if you actually focused on him during the playoffs, he was an absolute liability and the one weak spot in the Ravens defense so they won in spite of him.  The visual test sees him ride off into the sunset with a trophy though.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo  People don't remember this, but they were absolutely terrible in 2011.  342 total pressures surrendered.  That was double what the Jets gave up in the same year (the Wayne Hunter at RT for 16 games season).  Double!  And that's an offensive line everyone said was terrible.  The Giants only gave up 266 this year, which is still terrible but not as bad as 2011.


In 2011 Eli proved that it is possible to overcome a terrible offensive line.  And that's what the Giants - especially Diehl and McKenzie - were in 2011.


Watch Eli highlights from the 2011 playoffs and he's getting nailed on almost every throw.

lagoo
lagoo

And he's a great kick returner. I would take shields cus of youth and out of fear cro might start breaking down

lagoo
lagoo

I feel like playing Roy jones jrs y'all must've forgot when I hear people say we need to replace cro. Dude has balled for us since the moment he got here. Last year he has a bad year cus his hip was jacked up still got 3 ints

harvlis
harvlis

@DarrolRayFanClub All of those QB's have the capability to step in and control a pro offense.  It would be nice if we could get Drew Brees but, he's taken.  If Geno is to be our starter, you don't want a QB who causes a big controversy.  You want a backup who, at worst, can manage a team and, at best, can do some damage.  That is who all three of these QB's are.  Our defense is going to have us in every game.  It would be nice, if we found a dominant QB but, until we find one, we need QB's who don't lose us games.  All three have solid game experience and an up side. What's your suggestion?

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  He's done some in college and is a great ST gunner.  No NFL regular season returns but he's worked with return units in camp and possibly also preseason.

Pat d
Pat d

You are way off Bent. Stats are not fabrication. They are what they are. But when you start subtracting games or even plays from a game that is a type of fabrication. How times have we heard if he didn't have that 40 yard run he would have only averaged 3 yards a carry.

If you are going to compare Coples best 8 consecutive games to everyone else's best 8 consecutive games it would be more accurate.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  I know that, was just enjoying a philosophical conversation on the usefulness or otherwise of stats!  As you know, I'm more of a film guy anyway.

Pat d
Pat d

I understand what your point was. I would like to say I have never hated on Coples.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  Then any stat ever is a type of fabrication.


Read into it or don't read into it.  Screw the stats, Coples was awesome in the second half of last season and if he picks up where he left off, he'll wreak havoc next year.

Pat d
Pat d

It's still a type of fabrication

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  No it isn't.  It's statistically true.  Look at it this way.  He averaged 4.5 pressures a game.  That's elite production whether you do it over eight games, 16 or a whole career.


If we were extrapolating Geno's four games at the end of the year over a full season, that would be one thing, but Coples' sample size is big enough that he faced some a variety of opponents and continued to produce.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  Well, statistically, he would be which was my point. 


And I wasn't even saying it to say "this is what we can expect this year." I did it because people were hating on Coples and saying he wasn't worth the draft pick the team spent on him. Then I went to compile the #'s and was actually shocked to see how good he was in the second 8 games. His game log is like two different players with the Saints game being the start of Player 2. I am not even saying we should expect that, but if he can be that type of presence then he'll be exactly the type of player the team was looking for when they took him. 

Pat d
Pat d

Talking about a streak is one thing. But saying he would be top 10 if he played like that all season is something different

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  There's a legitimate reason to point to, though. Coples had a broken leg, came back sooner than people expected, and (unsurprisingly) he struggled to regain his explosiveness. I take the Saints game because it's the first time he looked explosive, which to me signaled he was healthy. 

Pat d
Pat d

I'm with you. I expect big things from Coples and the front 7

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  It's not subtracting the bad, pat, it's a definite trend.  Considering they changed his role and he came into the season off a broken foot, it's worth comparing his productivity once he hit full stride with everyone else's.  


It would take a lot longer, but you could work out the productivity over the second half for the rest of the pass rushers in the league and he'd be ahead of nearly all of them.


It's not meaningless at all.  You've never heard someone say a baseball player is hitting .375 since June or that Nick Folk has made X kicks in a row?  By your logic that streak is meaningless because he missed the kick before it.

Pat d
Pat d

Those kinds of stats are meaningless. You can't subtract the bad and say he would be top 10. How many other players can you do the same thing and then knocking him out of the top 10. Comparing the best of one players season to everyone else's full season is pure fabrication.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Bent 

Something people fail to take into account. 

Wilkerson was the 30th pick in the draft, cCoples was the 16th...for those two draft positions, the guys we got are absolute steals.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Those have to start translating into sacks, right? And god help everyone if he ever figures out a swipe move like Osi had. With his arms he could swipe the ball away from the stands. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @lagoo  11 QB hits for Coples in the last eight games.  33 combined for the rest of the team over the whole season.

Bent
Bent moderator

A little extrapolation never hurt anyone.

Brendan
Brendan

@lagoo  It was weird, watching his games I always felt like he was hitting the QB a lot, but never getting sacks. Well, he ended up with 6 sacks, 15 QB hits and 23 pressures. Those 15 QB hits were 2nd for 3-4 OLB's and would have been 2nd for 4-3 DE's. So, even with this injury-plagued season he hit the QB more than all but two edge rushers. So by comparison that's a huge % of his QB disruptions in the form of QB hits. 


To put it in perspective, of those 6 sack/15 QB hit/23 QB pressure (44 total) QB disruptions, 5/11/19 (35)came in that final 8 games. That's a huge disparity, and given he was working back from a broken bone and has guys like Wilkerson and Richardson with him (and possibly Barnes), I'm going to go ahead and assume he's closer to the 35 QB disruption monster he was in the final half of the year than he was the inconsistent and slow payer he was in the first half. 

lagoo
lagoo

If we can get one talented pass rusher we could have the best front seven as long as these guys keep improving. These guys aren't even in there prime besides Harris and pace who are past there prime

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I have tried to back off doing that with stats (I used to get out of control with it), but I think with Coples it's fair. In those 8 games you had huge wins, curb-stomping losses, a team slump, but Coples was consistently pumping out pressure. 


I am keeping my excitement about him bubbled, but I think if he hits the ground running and healthy this year...that defensive front will be a horror show for offenses for the entire season. 

lagoo
lagoo

Oh okay cool well that's awesome I'm really excited about him didn't get a lot of sacks but it felt like he had a lot of qb pressures. Do you guys know how many he had.

Brendan
Brendan

@lagoo  To clarify, what i was referring to was Coples' stats from the Saints game through the end of the season. So, 8 games total. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@lagoo  It wasn't a good game it was a good (well, better than good) half season.  From the Saints game on was midseason to the end of the season.

lagoo
lagoo

It was a kind of wild post you could say that about anyone who had a good game. That being said I think coples made great strides last year he was in the opponents backfield way more often than his previous seasons

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d  I ran the numbers too.  Brendan is 100% correct on this.  From that point he was on pace for 70+ total pressures over the course of a full season and fewer than 10 players acheived that last year, so...

Pat d
Pat d

Brendan now that is pure fabrication

lagoo
lagoo

Coples is my candidate for break out player. People questioned his motor in college. I think it's a fair assessment. He makes some plays that wow your socks off and other times you find yourself wondering is he still out there, did he get thunderstruck

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth I ran the #'s, but if you take his play from the Saints game on and extrapolate it out to a full season, he would have been a top-10 player in the NFL in terms of pressures/QB hits/sacks. That's including 3-4 OLB's and 4-3 DE's. The dude's legit. 

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth Yeah, once he got healthy (the Saints game, most likely) he was a terror out there. His length is frightening. He just sticks an arm out there and tackles guys while he's being blocked. It's awesome. 

a57se
a57se

@DarrolRayFanClub @a57se@lagoo 

He has his input on all players the Jets bring in.....He pushed for Mason, Holmes, etc.

He picked Connor.....supposedly didn;t want Hill but loved Sanchez.......

a57se
a57se

@lagoo  

Too bad he isn't good at identiying offensive talent.

lagoo
lagoo

Ditto Rex would have slapped tanny if he said hey were drafting gholston

Pat d
Pat d

The fact that Rex worked him out kind of strengthens 57's point. I'm just glad the Jets surprised me. Though surprised at the time I loved the pick.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  Yup. But, we also know that Rex worked him out, that the team was clearly high on him and that they already intended to move Coples to OLB. That adds up to it being very reasonable that an interior DL would be high on the team's list. They had a hole where DeVito and Coples had split reps the previous season. 

Pat d
Pat d

I think it was the Richardson pick that surprised

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  We've had this discussion before, that's why I phrased it that way. 


Idzik even came out and said that Milliner was a top-4 guy on their board and that's why they took him. 

Pat d
Pat d

I think 57 brings up a good point in reference to Juan M's original point. I didn't take it as fabricating a controversy.

lagoo
lagoo

John idzik comes from Seattle I'm pretty sure he values defense players very highly

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Are you going to fabricate a controversy now? 


Idzik already spoke on the picks. They were the BPA. So unless you want to come out and say that Idzik was lying, I don't see the point in making comments like this.