Mike Rice returns from suspension vowing change

By Matt Sugam

PISCATAWAY – For over two decades, Mike Rice has asked his players to develop, change, and attack their weaknesses. For the past two weeks, he’s begun doing that himself.

“Now I have this opportunity to do that,” Rice said after returning to practice for the first time since his three game suspension due to his language and behavior.

The third-year head coach conducted a 40 minute shoot around with his team – where he didn’t use profane language and the only time he raised his voice was after the the team broke the huddle and he exclaimed “get extra shots” – before spending 18 minutes talking to the media.

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20 comments
Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

Dumpster diving sometimes produces gems--at least in the short-run. Maybin was a big contributor when we picked him up from Buffalo--but couldn't even make the team the following year. Teams certainly do make mistakes--we did, when we gave up on Woodhead (a move most fans--including me--hated at the time). I hope we get lucky with Dowling and/or Cunningham. If the main problem was injuries, not talent, motor, or smarts, they might prove to be steals. But only time will tell.

harold
harold

"Maybe as the Jets build back their talent level on the roster they will have to do less and less of this, but there’s no harm in bringing in players who might have been drafted highly elsewhere and giving them a modest contract to see if they can carve out a spot on the team, even if just for a year or two."


The Jets getting better should have little bearing on finding cheap talented players.  We should lok for those guys regardless of how successful we become.

jaym
jaym

I see Florio is very sensitive when anyone says that Belichick maybe made a mistake.


“Sometimes what might not be good for you looks good for somebody else,” Ryan said.  “You know what?  Guys make mistakes.”

Despite the endless optimism of the draft process, with every prospect being in the eyes of some the best . . . player . . . ever and little discussion prior to or during the draft about the large percentage of picks who become busts, the truth is that every team makes mistakes.

The Patriots have.  The Jets have.  Everyone has.

The wisdom comes from admitting the mistake and moving on.  Keeping a guy to justify his draft status only makes the mistake worse.  For Belichick, having a trio of pelts on the wall gives him the freedom to admit his mistakes without fear of consequence.

So when it comes to the degree of job security that Ryan hasn’t earned and possibly never will, maybe Belichick really does have all the answers.

levi
levi

Cro must be making out like a bandit today.

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

The thing that is different from 2011 and 2012 is the depth. Even last year we didn't have much talent but we got good production from David Nelson and Kellen Winslow. This year, we have good depth at almost every position.

LIJetsFan
LIJetsFan

Yes but how do we find room on the roster for this guys plus our numerous rookies?  IIRC, I thought they culled the roster down to 53 + PS pretty well last year.  It should be interesting to watch how it shakes out this year.  

Bent
Bent moderator

Good article - and the comments on Cunningham are surprising.  Perhaps we should be resetting expectations on him.


The list of reclamation projects Bassett cited is by no means exhaustive.  There's also Hardin, Ijalana, Green, Salas drafted in rounds 2-4 and Gates and Richardson a bit later on.

marcus81
marcus81

@Daniel Diffin  John Riggins is the greatest player Jets did not bring back, with the sack exchange maybe Jets could have gone to a SB back then 

marcus81
marcus81

@harold  I know I'm dying for the Jets to be successful at least every other year

marcus81
marcus81

@jaym  Brady's play makes up for the Pats deficiencies on offense and defense, shocked BB hasn't given him better talent at the receiver position, and that's the way I like it

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@jaym Belichick makes plenty of mistakes--the Patriots aren't above average in drafting. But he makes up for that by being a bargain shopper in draft picks. It's easy to cut a second rounder who doesn't produce when you routinely have between 7 to 12 draft picks. The year they drafted Cunningham, they had 3 2nd round picks. That year (2010), we had 4 picks in the whole draft--and our 2nd round pick was Vlad Ducasse (the Patriots 2nd rounders were Gronkowski, Cunningham, and Spikes). Their first round pick that year was Devin McCourty--ours was Kyle Wilson. 


Tanny's problem was both in terms of philosophy--quality over quantity is not a great strategy in the draft--and in terms of talent evaluation.

jaym
jaym

@levi 

Does anyone remember the Cro from last year? The CB who was beaten badly and when he was beat would stick out an arm to grab the receivers shoulder pad and MAYBE would get away with no penalty called against him. Well that is the Cro I remember.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent

From 2009-2011 (Rex's first three years), we ended up making just 13 total draft selections (thanks to various trade-ups and trades of picks for veterans).


Despite that, during Rex's tenure here so far, we've had 41 members of the 2009-2011 draft classes as members of the Green and White at one point or another.


2009: Jason Smith, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Maybin, Mohamed Massaquoi, Shonn Greene, Jarron Gilbert, Patrick Turner, Mike Goodson, Matt Slauson, Ellis Lankster


2010: Tim Tebow, Kyle Wilson, Jermaine Cunningham, Vladimir Ducasse, Eric Decker, Mardy Gilyard, Jacoby Ford, Joe McKnight, A.J. Edds, Ricky Sapp, John Conner, Dedrick Epps


2011: Muhammad Wilkerson, Ras-I Dowling, Ben Ijalana, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Johnny Patrick, Kenrick Ellis, Alex Green, Clyde Gates, Greg Salas, Bilal Powell, Jeremy Kerley, Caleb Schlauderaff, Greg McElroy, Scotty McKnight


UDFAs (not originally signed by Jets): Austin Howard, David Nelson, Chris Ivory, Aaron Berry, Darrin Walls

Joseph Koll
Joseph Koll

Gates was also a 4th rounder. Richardson was a 6th.

anthonya
anthonya

@Bent Jaiquawn Jarrett is another on the active roster.  I'm never opposed to this kind of dumpster diving for dudes that had injury problems or were not scheme fits, but I am happy we can do it now in the context of also drafting a crap-ton of players.

Last night I watched the entire Jets "Hard Knocks" from 2010 and its kind of a fascinating exercise to put yourself into that mind.  One thing Rex said that struck me as patently a trademark of Tanny was, we only have 48 NFL players on this team. At one point he brought this up to Tanny, who pretty much replied, well that's they price you pay for having a good 1st team roster... no depth. 

To think they kept not 1 but 2 fullbacks on that roster, and had no room for Danny Woodhead. Joe McKnight fumbles 4 times in the preseason, Vlad Ducasse nearly gets Sanchez ACL surgery, Kyle Wilson is the first round pick and this team still makes it to the AFC Championship. 

I guess I am bringing all this up because I like the Dumpster Diving strategy, in the context of competition, when you are bringing your own guys in via the draft to compete as well.  But wow is it amazing what can happen when you let that depth slip and try to bail yourself out using aaron maybins and brodney pools.

levi
levi

@jaym  Nah Lets remember the Cro that called Brady names and dared him to throw at him then we won the game. Thats the Cro I will remember not the injured one trying to cover other teams #1 WR's.

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

@tsjc68 @Bent Great point. If those had all been Jets' picks, we would have averaged over 12 draft picks in each of those years. Of course, there's a difference between picking twelve guys in the draft and picking 5, then picking up guys who were failed draft picks for other teams. It is hard to believe that we had only 13 picks total between 2009-2011. And mind-blowing that only five players from those years are still with the team--and only two are starters, 

jaygo
jaygo

@tsjc68 @Bent


Good article?  Article shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Jet management under Idzik.  Let's remember Seattle made over 400 roster moves in the four years leading up to their championship with a bunch of free agents and lower round draft picks ending up on the Super Bowl roster.  The revolving door is now in Florham Park also as they keep bringing players in to see who sticks.  Like 68 said, we had 41 guys from the last few drafts on our roster at one point or another and how many FA's?  It's a management style and one that has proven successful, not some negative thing.